1st Annual Worldwide CRV Convention

" the UFO underearth bases"

Just can’t seem to keep UFOs and ETs out of RV…

:)

So….where are they? Ed Dames may want to go shine his new ET flashlight down there.

:):)

Hi Rich,

Just can’t seem to keep UFOs and ETs out of RV…

:)

Why would we ? Aren’t some of the RV techniques the kind of tools allowing us [the humans] to approach *peacefully* these other inhabitants of our universe ?

So….where are they? [snip]

The main four undergrouund bases Skip Atwater told us about were (from the Pat Price experience) :

– Mt. Hayes in Alaska,

– Mt. Perdido in the Pyrenees Mts. [near the Franco-Spanish border]
– Mt. Inyangani in Zimbabwe,
– Mt. Ziel in the Northern Territory of Australia.

For more infos, please ask Lyn Buchanan by www.crviewer.com

p.s : I’m sure you can task yourself, by now, to discover others somewhere on earth or underwater ;-)

Warm regards,

Jean-Luc

hah,

My favorite is still Mt Baldy.

All these years and still nothing more than legends….

The problem with remote viewers and UFOs is that too many remote viewing teachers/schools give students a one week or ten day class, call them remote viewers and start giving them targets like:

MARTIAN SURVIVORS/BENEATH SANTE FE BALDY/CURRENT TIME

Anyone who hasn’t seen Glenn’s editorial "Island of Sanity" should take a few moments and click over to our Library page and give it a read.

Show me a viewer who can accurately describe and sketch (given blind) verifiable down to earth targets 85% of the time. Who in the world of remote viewing has viewers who can do that? Are there any student (or professional for that matter) viewers who can send us a sure hit on our validatable homework targets all the time? Then, task them with a UFO target that has a least some degree of credibility, a case with some photographic or trace evidence, not someone’s fantasy of an alien base a half mile beneath a mountain.

Taking a ten day course from Ed Dames doesn’t give Courtney Brown or anyone else the skill to go after esoteric alien targets like the ones allegedly remote "viewed" in Cosmic Voyage, and taking the Farsight Voyager Class certainly didn’t give me the skills to remote view REPTILIANS/CURRENT TIME or WHITLEY STRIEBERS MOST SIGNIFICANT ABDUCTION EVENT (an actual target at Farsight.)

When half the target cues you hand out to your student "viewers" are esoteric UFO related things like Martian Bases, Reptillian Mind Probes, and Dimensional Portals, the "viewers" can write down a bunch of new age bullshit and phrases from UFO books and call half their sessions "hits."

Wow, I’m a remote viewer. look at this, I came up with "other dimensional beings watching, helping." The target was the Midwayers. I was right on it man.

The problem with remote viewers and UFOs is that too many remote viewing teachers/schools give students a one week or ten day class, call them remote viewers and start giving them targets like:

MARTIAN SURVIVORS/BENEATH SANTE FE BALDY/CURRENT TIME

Anyone who hasn’t seen Glenn’s editorial "Island of Sanity" should take a few moments and click over to our Library page and give it a read.

[big snip]

Hi Dick,

I fully agree and am grateful to Glenn for this editorial/warning,

But…. I would like to add one more advice to really everybody (customer, student, journalist, expert, etc.), if you allow :

"always take time to ask the viewer(s) [teacher/expert or not] his/her/their track record(s) on real world targets".

Joe McMoneagle said once, for example, he had done over 4 000 targets and got around an average of 60% accuracy. As simply as this.

I didn’t see a lot of viewers around with the courage of showing off their own results in the same way. Did you, Dick ? If yes, please give me names…and results.

:)

Regards,

Jean-Luc

Unfortunately, it permeates the "industry".

And with Ingo’s last book, it goes back to the root of at least one form of RV.

Related question for Glenn:

Are the methods you teach an offshoot of CRV/Swann/SRI/Targ or were they developed completely independently ?

Still awaiting your e-mail.

Are the methods you teach an offshoot of CRV/Swann/SRI/Targ or were they developed completely independently ?

I’ll take a stab at this one. The methods employed by Army Special Forces Intelligence (now taught at HRVG) were developed independently from the team at Meade that used CRV.

There is a similarity. Someone told someone within the community that you start by making an ideogram; a spontaneous scribble that contains a burst of encoded data about the target. You go from there to PROBING the ideogram to get low level gestalt data about the target; colors, textures, manmade or natural, soft/hard/wet/semi hard etc.

The difference is the Special-Forces-derived-protocols go for visuals. The goal is to SEE the target. Altered states are used for a bilocation experience.

This is what Ingo Swann and other early viewers were obviously doing.

The question really is: Who turned it into CRV, then TRV, SRV… on and on… and said "YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE THE TARGET?"

But consider this, when you think there was just one remote viewing program in "the military." Each branch is independent. What one branch has the other wants. The Air Force is supposed to fly, but the Navy has jet fighters. The Army is supposed to fight on the ground, but the Navy has ground combat forces. The marines have boats, planes, helicopters, special forces. Do you think they would have a powerful tool like remote viewing (not that any of the civilian remote viewing I’ve seen could be considered a "powerful tool") and just keep it in one little old place? Come on.

Related question for Glenn:

Are the methods you teach an offshoot of CRV/Swann/SRI/Targ or were they developed completely independently ?

Aloha Rich, a pretty good question. Back in the late 60’s early 70’s the Intel community was pretty intense. In the Army you had MI and the Army Security Agency. We never really got along and ASA always looked at MI as a different beast entirely, kinda like a distant cousin from Arkansas.

When all of this actually, really, started it occurred within the purview of a few special places within the Intelligence community. On the Army Side the people involved were within the Army Security Agency and the MI dept. Keep in mind that the Intelligence Security Command (INSCOM) did not come into being until 1977. By 1977 Beaconing/RV had been bandied about for almost 6 years. On the civilian side it was never classified and was being openly looked at during that time. Behind it all was the National Security Agency.

My experience in a beaconing project in the mid 70’s introduced me to a different side of intelligence. I was recruited from the Army Security Agency in Augsburg West Germany to go into the Black World of SOF. I think from the beginning you can find associations between SOF and certain civilians at SRI and Duke. And I don’t mean Col. John Alexander. His claim to fame in SOF is he hated enlisted men, and in SOF it’s an enlisted man’s show period. I could go on for hours about the war between the officers and the Sergeants, but will suffice to quote from the Officer’s handbook of the day "Enlisted men are not to be trusted and bear considerable observation".

As to INSCOM and the FT. Meade Projects that was INSCOM business and was spearheaded by very competent Officers, Warrants, and Staff NCO’s. My first exposure to the INSCOM CRV methodology was after Psi-Tech published their Mod-1. For about a year or so I was a constant visitor at their website and Chatsite. I found the course material functional but lacking in visuals.

As to the HRVG Protocols, they were developed by the collaboration of certain SOF associations with a civilian with credentials from Duke in the early 80’s.

This was directly related to the entire SOF Intel community coming to a halt in response to President Reagan’s order to find any and all POW/MIAs. There are some good stories there :) We hired psychics, did Paranormal Voice research on mag tape coming out of Asia, and beaconing. We also produced the largest collection effort of conventionally acquired intelligence in history using every collection platform at our disposal.

In the end the answer to the POW/MIA question was delivered to those that wanted to know.

Aloha Glenn

So the $64,000 question is who trained you,this question never gets fully answered,once someone claimed you were trained at Ft. Meade in Rv’ng, then it was denied,who did train you,when and where, you are well trained in your ways this is not by chance so why don’t you share this with us,most of all the others who make claims don’t check out whne persons are contacted that they say taught them or places they say they were don’t match the dates of others when checked on,I’m sure you will check out just give us something to check.

Let me ask you a simple question.

In your opinion, does the work produced by the guild represent an ability to Remote View?

Aloha, Jim

So the $64,000 question is who trained you,this question never gets fully answered,once someone claimed you were trained at Ft. Meade in Rv’ng, then it was denied,who did train you,when and where, you are well trained in your ways this is not by chance so why don’t you share this with us,most of all the others who make claims don’t check out whne persons are contacted that they say taught them or places they say they were don’t match the dates of others when checked on,I’m sure you will check out just give us something to check.

Whether or not I would compromise a trust, a group, and an individual or violate the terms of my non-disclosure agreements have always put a spin on what I could say. I always have to choose words very carefully.

People are too caught up and focused on setting up and discrediting those that train. It overshadows the subject matter of the training. Something about the failure in one’s life prompting the intense wish for failure in all others.

Your $64,000 question is frankly not something you get to know to the degree that you would wish. The answer deals with information that is not declassified.

The guild is not here to challenge anyone’s truth but to conduct research and development in RV period. It’s not to get or garner fame or money for anyone. It is a group of like-minded individuals who have agreed to train and work together using RV on targets of common interest. It is an exchange of efforts not a cult, a business, or a secret society.

The RV community has been in disarray since it began in the civilian world. It was always about big money, the market and who was gonna get it all (throw in some UFO’s). The slanders and hate would make for a hell of a Jerry Springer show.

You have multiple factions, which includes a retired field grade officer openly attempting to discredit all others "in public". Where I come from this would never happen. This forces others to defend themselves and it makes us all look like we are part of one giant poochscrew. It gets worse when others get involved supporting their school and adding to the noise and confusion.

It’s not how all these military retirees should conduct the business of developing RV in the civilian sector. I am sure most of them aren’t happy about it either. Hell I know I’m not happy about it. But I have had some truely great arguements with that firey lady from Psi-Tech.

It’s time to take all the drama out of this and get on with the task at hand. It’s the work that counts; it’s the work that tells.

Your questions NIMO are always about the acquisition of data on me and about information that is classified, never about RV, Never about what you see here at this site. The sessions themselves should be the measure of what we do here. It is not important who I am, it is important to train and develop the resource.

Have you seen a CRV session, an SRV session, a TDS session, a TRV session, an ERV session, or an HRVG Session? IF so what did you see and what did it tell you? What is your opinion of the value of the work done here? Is it all real? Those are my questions for you.

Aloha Glenn

Whether or not I would compromise a trust, a group, and an individual or violate the terms of my non-disclosure agreements have always put a spin on what I could say. I always have to choose words very carefully.

People are too caught up and focused on setting up and discrediting those that train. It overshadows the subject matter of the training. Something about the failure in one’s life prompting the intense wish for failure in all others.

Your $64,000 question is frankly not something you get to know to the degree that you would wish. The answer deals with information that is not declassified.

The guild is not here to challenge anyone’s truth but to conduct research and development in RV period. It’s not to get or garner fame or money for anyone. It is a group of like-minded individuals who have agreed to train and work together using RV on targets of common interest. It is an exchange of efforts not a cult, a business, or a secret society.

The RV community has been in disarray since it began in the civilian world. It was always about big money, the market and who was gonna get it all (throw in some UFO’s). The slanders and hate would make for a hell of a Jerry Springer show.

You have multiple factions, which includes a retired field grade officer openly attempting to discredit all others "in public". Where I come from this would never happen. This forces others to defend themselves and it makes us all look like we are part of one giant poochscrew. It gets worse when others get involved supporting their school and adding to the noise and confusion.

It’s not how all these military retirees should conduct the business of developing RV in the civilian sector. I am sure most of them aren’t happy about it either. Hell I know I’m not happy about it. But I have had some truely great arguements with that firey lady from Psi-Tech.

It’s time to take all the drama out of this and get on with the task at hand. It’s the work that counts; it’s the work that tells.

Your questions NIMO are always about the acquisition of data on me and about information that is classified, never about RV, Never about what you see here at this site. The sessions themselves should be the measure of what we do here. It is not important who I am, it is important to train and develop the resource.

Have you seen a CRV session, an SRV session, a TDS session, a TRV session, an ERV session, or an HRVG Session? IF so what did you see and what did it tell you? What is your opinion of the value of the work done here? Is it all real? Those are my questions for you. Aloha Glenn

Thanks for the info. As you may know my interest in RV

goes beyond the practice and theory. Maybe if I were better at actual RVing I would spend less time on its history and other’s activities.

I don’t expect any oaths to be broken. If there is more to learn I will try the FOIA route. My biggest gripe is

the distortions and outright BS that have infested this
field. One of the tactics that irks me is that of riding the publicity train of the few disclosed acheivements, whether by original participants or next generation students or contemporaries using similar
methods for other purposes. In typical ad agency mode
the promise is far greater than the result and all too often accompanied by the FUO/ET gimmick.

After being prodded for a long time to read Dean Radin’s book, The conscious Universe, I am almost finished and recommend it to all. It brings a lot of things down to earth and clearly shows the great deal of effort and hard work that must accompany any activity in this field.

Aloha and carry on.

Rich

UFO/ET…..although FUO may often be more accurate :)

Wonder where this statement came from…

Your questions NIMO are always about the acquisition of data on me and about information that is classified, never about RV, Never about what you see here at this site. The sessions themselves should be the measure of what we do here. It is not important who I am, it is important to train and develop the resource.

I’m sure you can show me a post that I ever asked about your credentials before, I only asked this time because of the post above mine that was wondering about your training and from who and remembering that someone in an earlier post from HRVG referred to you being at Fort Meade or something to that effect, I didn’t know that this was a sore spot with you like all the others, in fact when we were all talking on the other bb(PSi-Tech)I found you quiet interesting but never asked about your training out of respect to the other BB’s owners and had no intention in starting a problem between posters on that BB, in fact when you were doing the MM target and was asking questions about devices on her table I even ran into the local library to look up pictures on the old eye lash curling devices but it wasn’t needed.

Now to answer your questions to me I have seen many posted sessions from CRV,TDS,TRV and HRVG, was I impressed?not really, why? because I seen nothing in any of them that couldn’t be faked, but thats not what everyone wants to hear.Do I still believe the possibilities of RV’ng? I sure do, do I believe it can be done with any high degree of success upon demand?nope, at least it hasn’t been proven. Am I leery when groups want me to promise I won’t divulge information so that I can work with them on methods that the group says really was developed by the government and has been adapted for civilan use but is still classified?yes, because these are contridicting statements. I had no intention of this becomming flaming war of posts ,but thought it only fair to answer your questions without asking more question to avoid answering yours. I don’t claim to be any type of expert dealing with RV, I have tried differant protocols from all except your group, I had asked over a year ago for a CD that your group was preparing with sessions on it (Yanna had said it would be available back then) and was I willing to pay for it but it never came about, but any way I never really had any success with any of them unless you called lessons which led you down a path that could be claimed as on target but the same could have been said if I drew the information out of a hat from a wide range of selections .
Well guess I have said enough, will let you respond in kind to any remarks that I have made and will let it go with your response so that a flaming war of words doesn’t take place, peace and good luck.
Jim: I tried to explain the mix up with the other post which was meant as a ICQ message to SKY, he always new me as Capt. Nimo and thats how my ICO number is listed(ck it out if you want 783735)I started a few months ago of using my real name on BB posts because someone asked why I was scared to use my real name,I have nothing to hide, my web page is www.dmrtc.net/~chgss/NIMO.htm which list all my former AKA’s and has my bio on it.

I have seen many posted sessions from CRV,TDS,TRV and HRVG, was I impressed?not really, why? because I seen nothing in any of them that couldn’t be faked, but thats not what everyone wants to hear.

If you think we are faking this data.. why are you even bothering to come here?

Aloha Cecil,

Thanks for the reply and Identifying yourself as a skeptic. I guess you could read a million stories and hear a million tales and you would be a bit skeptical. That’s ok by me.

My solution would be for you to hop a plane and come out to Hawaii. Spend a week or two with everyone and see them in action. Go through the sessions, interview the viewers, take a class on targeting and launch some of your own targets into the schedule and evaluate the results.

If you really want to know you need to jump into the game and get off the sidelines.

There are no hokey sessions posted here, we strive to keep everything open and a lot of people have worked long and hard to produce data that is viewable here. I can assure you for every session posted here there are hundreds that lead to it.

Insight does not come in a day or on a whim. It comes from the steadfast application of methods over time and with focused intent.

Your statement about the data could be faked implies that this is all some complex hoax. I will say this for the record. Besides being a Guild we are all friends. We spend a lot of time together training and working, we try to bring out the best in each other and our work. We want harm to none and expect the same. You don’t get to accuse or imply from thousands of miles away. Come see for yourself. Skeptic or not it is not just me it is all of us. There is no other way to convince a skeptic. While your here you can pop over to Maui and visit the folks at Psi-tech also. You do not have to believe anything. This is not a flame but an invitation. We just had JP over for a week from L.A. and I think he learned a lot, saw a lot and knows what we are up to and about. It’s easy to be an armchair quarterback, it takes a bit of courage to hit the field and run with the ball. The invitation is valid.

Aloha Glenn

Wonder where this statement came from…

Your questions NIMO are always about the acquisition of data on me and about information that is classified, never about RV, Never about what you see here at this site. The sessions themselves should be the measure of what we do here. It is not important who I am, it is important to train and develop the resource.

I’m sure you can show me a post that I ever asked about your credentials before, I only asked this time because of the post above mine that was wondering about your training and from who and remembering that someone in an earlier post from HRVG referred to you being at Fort Meade or something to that effect, I didn’t know that this was a sore spot with you like all the others, in fact when we were all talking on the other bb(PSi-Tech)I found you quiet interesting but never asked about your training out of respect to the other BB’s owners and had no intention in starting a problem between posters on that BB, in fact when you were doing the MM target and was asking questions about devices on her table I even ran into the local library to look up pictures on the old eye lash curling devices but it wasn’t needed. Now to answer your questions to me I have seen many posted sessions from CRV,TDS,TRV and HRVG, was I impressed?not really, why? because I seen nothing in any of them that couldn’t be faked, but thats not what everyone wants to hear.Do I still believe the possibilities of RV’ng? I sure do, do I believe it can be done with any high degree of success upon demand?nope, at least it hasn’t been proven. Am I leery when groups want me to promise I won’t divulge information so that I can work with them on methods that the group says really was developed by the government and has been adapted for civilan use but is still classified?yes, because these are contridicting statements. I had no intention of this becomming flaming war of posts ,but thought it only fair to answer your questions without asking more question to avoid answering yours. I don’t claim to be any type of expert dealing with RV, I have tried differant protocols from all except your group, I had asked over a year ago for a CD that your group was preparing with sessions on it (Yanna had said it would be available back then) and was I willing to pay for it but it never came about, but any way I never really had any success with any of them unless you called lessons which led you down a path that could be claimed as on target but the same could have been said if I drew the information out of a hat from a wide range of selections . Well guess I have said enough, will let you respond in kind to any remarks that I have made and will let it go with your response so that a flaming war of words doesn’t take place, peace and good luck. Jim: I tried to explain the mix up with the other post which was meant as a ICQ message to SKY, he always new me as Capt. Nimo and thats how my ICO number is listed(ck it out if you want 783735)I started a few months ago of using my real name on BB posts because someone asked why I was scared to use my real name,I have nothing to hide, my web page is www.dmrtc.net/~chgss/NIMO.htm which list all my former AKA’s and has my bio on it.

Hi Glenn,

Thank you for your open reaction to Rich’s input.

You wrote :

[big snip]

As to the HRVG Protocols, they were developed by the collaboration of certain SOF associations with a civilian with credentials from Duke in the early 80’s.

[snip] Aloha Glenn

My questions :

1/ Did you, for the HRVG, make changes in the original SOF RV protocol ?

2/ Have SOF developped several RV protocols or just one ?
3/ Who is the owner, **in legal terms**, of the protocol(s) we use at HRVG ? The US Army, the SOF, yourself, HRVG ?

I’m sure you measure the importance of your coming answers ;-)

Thanks,

Regards
Jean-Luc

My questions :

1/ Did you, for the HRVG, make changes in the original SOF RV protocol ?

A> The protocols used are unclassified and unchanged.

2/ Have SOF developped several RV protocols or just one ?

A> This is how it was at the end, there were earlier versions but since the introduction of NLP this is the method used.

3/ Who is the owner, **in legal terms**, of the protocol(s) we use at HRVG ? The US Army, the SOF, yourself, HRVG ?

A> **in legal terms** HRVG Inc. is the copywrite holder for all instructional materials presented by the Guild in any format.

I hope that answers your questions Jean.

Aloha Glenn

Cecil:

The question of "faking", etc. is an interesting one. And believe me, as someone who periodically gets pangs of "What the hell am I doing?" about RV, I can honestly understand where you are coming from.

The answer, for me, turned out to be not too difficult to nail down. I have worked dozens if not hundreds of sessions over the course of the last 9 months. Some of them have been from targets posted by HRVG, but many have been from other sources. I still, after all these sessions, still manage to be amazed every time RV "works" for me (and it does quite often). It comes down to this: I get the target ID, I work the session, I send off my results. If there’s any faking being done, the only opportunity for it to happen would be if the people who originally set up the target (be it HRVG or the several other targeteers I sometimes use) took a close look at my data and then "invented" a feedback picture that was a reasonable match.

This would require quite a conspiracy. Everyone at HRVG would be involved in duping me, as would each of the other targeteers & RV "chums" I use… all of them somehow in cahoots to trick me into thinking that I am capable of some pyschic tomfoolery. It comes down to this: I DON’T CONSIDER MYSELF IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT SUCH A CONSPIRACY.

I’ve been told I have an ego-problem at times, but it certainly would never rise to the level of my thinking that an international conspiracy was the "occam’s razor" or "simplest, most reasonable" explanation for what’s been going on in my life over the last year.

Of course, I could be in on it- so take what I say with a grain of salt.

-John

p.s. If you’d like to talk more about skepticism, drop me a line. Or, if you feel like directly acting as targeteer for somebody, I don’t mind doing a couple of sessions, though I can’t guarantee anything spectacular.