Art Bells departure & return…

Aloha Steve,

At least there are a few places you can vent. As to the Eq-Peg signal, who knows if there is one or not. I have 9 (nine) 4.5 meter Protolin Commercial Grade satellite dishes. Each dish has 65db gain. I put three in an array and took a look at the spectrum between 1450-1455 MHz and did not really get any signal trips that didn’t turn out to be normal hetro. It all begins to smell and I think that I am beginning to see a pattern in what Art Bell does.

He creates the atmosphere for a story to grow, it always has as it’s critical elements "UFO something", "A gathering of Scientists", "A scheduled press conference", and a person who surfaces the story but later recants. Of course the press conference never happens, the story falls apart and everything turns to Crap. He gets 4 or 5 days of commercial hype and then it’s on to the next ruse development.

I am so very disappointed with the more than obvious relationship with remote viewers and UFO’s. It is linkage we don’t need. Lyn Buchannan is now a UFO abductee/pilot, and I feel all our credible work is now in jeopardy. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Aloha Glenn

Of course the press conference never happens, the story falls apart and everything turns to Crap. He gets 4 or 5 days of commercial hype and then it’s on to the next ruse development.

Thanks Glenn! Exactly my feelings & thoughts on

the `ongoing process’!!

Of course the press conference never happens, the story falls apart and everything turns to Crap. He gets 4 or 5 days of commercial hype and then it’s on to the next ruse development.

Thanks Glenn! Exactly my feelings & thoughts on

the `ongoing process’!!

And to add to that, RC Hoagland can take a `beep’ and turn it into a `landing’ in the American Southwest on Dec 7th!!!

Well, at least he didn’t put it out a year or two in the future, like Dames does!!

Laura Lee did a very interesting program on the alleged signal last night. She interviewed the scientist who supposedly posted the original data. Someone was using his name and website.

The show proved very well that it was all a big hoax. Art Bell did not come off looking too good when you heard his competition interview a few of the people actually involved.

Don’t say that Lynn Buchanan is ‘Now’ a UFO/abductee pilot, since this is an old story and he is not just jumping on some bandwagon. As for the others…..?????

Kay

Aloha Steve, At least there are a few places you can vent. As to the Eq-Peg signal, who knows if there is one or not. I have 9 (nine) 4.5 meter Protolin Commercial Grade satellite dishes. Each dish has 65db gain. I put three in an array and took a look at the spectrum between 1450-1455 MHz and did not really get any signal trips that didn’t turn out to be normal hetro. It all begins to smell and I think that I am beginning to see a pattern in what Art Bell does.

He creates the atmosphere for a story to grow, it always has as it’s critical elements "UFO something", "A gathering of Scientists", "A scheduled press conference", and a person who surfaces the story but later recants. Of course the press conference never happens, the story falls apart and everything turns to Crap. He gets 4 or 5 days of commercial hype and then it’s on to the next ruse development.

I am so very disappointed with the more than obvious relationship with remote viewers and UFO’s. It is linkage we don’t need. Lyn Buchannan is now a UFO abductee/pilot, and I feel all our credible work is now in jeopardy. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Aloha Glenn

I am so very disappointed with the more than obvious relationship with remote viewers and UFO’s. It is linkage we don’t need. Lyn Buchannan is now a UFO abductee/pilot, and I feel all our credible work is now in jeopardy. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

This caught me off guard. Is Lyn really lining up with the UFO crowd?

-John

On Dreamland tonight Art got to talking about the pyramids with his guest…and he briefly mentioned his trip to Egypt…saying that laying in the sarcophagus really surprised him.

They agreed the pyramids are "initiation devices."

Ready for the Pharoah’s Curse this Friday the 13th?

How boring if things are going to get this predictable….

Kay

On Dreamland tonight Art got to talking about the pyramids with his guest…and he briefly mentioned his trip to Egypt…saying that laying in the sarcophagus really surprised him.

They agreed the pyramids are "initiation devices."

Ready for the Pharoah’s Curse this Friday the 13th?

Aloha Miss Kay,

Pardon my disgruntlement, I just recently listened to the sightings show that this developed on. I got a little dismayed at how it all sounded. We have just worked so hard for some credible evidence in RV to be the standard by people gauge it’s varacity.

I will be good :)

aloha Glenn

Don’t say that Lynn Buchanan is ‘Now’ a UFO/abductee pilot, since this is an old story and he is not just jumping on some bandwagon. As for the others…..?????

Kay

Lyn’s case is a bit different. He claims it all happened a long tme ago, before his army career and

intro to RV. He also claims that back then he had other psi powers that he no longer has. He also seems to have met a unique type of alien….the big dumb guys….

It is really strange that up until the advent of "remote viewing" psi, there was virtually no mention of

aliens by any psychics. Go read books published before
RV became public. The earlier psychics talked about all kinds of spirits and entities but nothing related to UFOs and ETs.

Now, Steven Greer claims to use some "secrete" form of RV to actually contact ETs ( besides shining flashlight sin the sky). I call his RV "secrete" because in the last 2 years or so his version is the only one that no one ever talks about. I know of only one person who admits to learning it and he does not discuss its methodology.

Lyn’s recent comments also support the many government UFO coverup conspiracy theories floating around.

It may be a key to the question of why the UFO community and the RV community do not get together. Or maybe Ed Dames has made it obvious.

Well, Ed Dames says he remote viewed the reason for Art’s Departure. I saw the entire session and didn’t see much of what I would call remote viewing data contained in all the little squiggles and page after page of curving up, looping over, horizontal across, diagonal down….curving up.

(If the only level of target contact I had after 16 pages was an ideogram "curving over, diagonal down, peaking, slanting up…" I don’t think I would submit my session.)

Anyway, Ed claims Art left because he had a transformative experience in the pyramid. (Art has discussed this on the air a number of times.)

Art also said he would talk about his reason on the air if it became public.

So is Art going to say that Yes, he did leave the radio show because he laid down in the sarcophagus a year ago? Or is he going to say that Ed Dames was not able to remote view the real reason.

THAT’S WHAT I WILL BE WAITING TO HEAR THIS FRIDAY THE 13TH.

I suspect Art will say, "That could have had something to do with it… cause damn if that wasn’t a transformative experience laying down the pyramid there." And Ed will say, "You know Art remote viewing is DIRECT KNOWLEDGE. The unconscious knows this was the real cause, and I know it as a remote viewer even if you DON’T realize it yourself."

I spend a whole day (and into the wee hours of the next morning) with Steven Greer and some of his CSETI people. THis was interesting, let me tell you. He is one intense and focused individual. The group did what they called ‘remote viewing’ but it does not resemble what is called remote viewing, here. It is ‘remote’ because you are seeing things at a distance but there is no real stucture. He asks people to close their eyes, concentrate and or meditate, and throw their minds into the stars and try to find and communicate with ETs. They claim to have an amazing success rate and some of the stories they tell are quite incredible. They claim that they do find and talk to Et’s. They give them visual maps to follow so that contact can be made when they go out for their afterdark excursions. The night that I was with them we did not see any ETs but there were strange lights flashing in the trees and lots of electricity in the air. The whole thing was pretty impressive and believeable.

Kay

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Lyn’s case is a bit different. He claims it all happened a long tme ago, before his army career and intro to RV. He also claims that back then he had other psi powers that he no longer has. He also seems to have met a unique type of alien….the big dumb guys….

It is really strange that up until the advent of "remote viewing" psi, there was virtually no mention of aliens by any psychics. Go read books published before RV became public. The earlier psychics talked about all kinds of spirits and entities but nothing related to UFOs and ETs.

Now, Steven Greer claims to use some "secrete" form of RV to actually contact ETs ( besides shining flashlight sin the sky). I call his RV "secrete" because in the last 2 years or so his version is the only one that no one ever talks about. I know of only one person who admits to learning it and he does not discuss its methodology.

Lyn’s recent comments also support the many government UFO coverup conspiracy theories floating around.

It may be a key to the question of why the UFO community and the RV community do not get together. Or maybe Ed Dames has made it obvious.

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I can’t comment on your individual experience but he has made some really far out claims on the results of his "RV" contact sessions and other ET contact experiences.

Despite his claims he can’t seem to document them, and for all his efforts he apparently can’t get anyone of note to do one of these excursions with him. So, I am not sure where this amazing success rate comes from.

Skeptically speaking, could what you saw/felt have been the result of deliberate staging and/or "getting caught up"? If you had spent a long day and then a long night on a topic, is it possible to have been "conditioned"?

The "distant lights" seems to be a feature of his outings.

I could not say that he was linning up with them. My point was more in the line of Remote Viewers please keep you feet on the Ground. The vastness of knowledge that opens up to us in the RV endeavor is such that if you let it, or get caught up in it, you can lose your focus of what is real and become destabalized.

I cannot say that a UFO did not kidnap Lyn, I cannot say that they did not let him pilot the vehicle…What I will say is that if he worked for me, I would pull his clearance and send him down to the hospital.

Strength in this field evolves with flights of awareness, not fantasy.

Aloha Glenn

I beg your pardon????????????????

This sounds like a load of negativity you don’t need. Have you ever tried to explain, or even talk about, telepathy, or RV, or ghosts, or any other "mysterious" or paranormal stuff, only to be laughed out of town – by your FRIENDS let alone Joe Public?? Sound familiar?

Well, the above few snippets are only things I happen to have personally EXPERIENCED – so I tend to "dismiss" so called skeptics, who rarely "look at the data".

Who cares why "anyone of note" (like, who the hell is this supposed to be – Bill Clinton?) doesn’t go along with Dr Greer. For what he has achieved, I say HE is a "person of note". You have just dismissed someone else’s PERSONAL EXPERIENCE – trashing something you are not involved in. What is this going to achieve?

I strongly recommend you read Dr Greer’s latest position paper – "The Crossing Point" (should be on the CSETI website, or email me) to get a feel for what he feels and thinks, and what actual experience he has accumulated. Nobody "owns" the concept of RV – if you don’t like what CSETI does – ignore it.

I haven’t seen any of Dr Greer’s claims sound more outlandish than some RV claims – and I have NO doubt RV is "real". All of these things are new territory for humanity to explore and explain. Maybe Dr Greer’s "ET" is simply someone elses "spirits".

Please do not trash other people’s ground breaking work, unless you like the standard of response anything out of the ordinary gets from today’s media, applied to you as well.

Regards,

DOUG

Strength in this field evolves with flights of awareness, not fantasy.

As far as RV goes, I don’t want to touch esoteric targets with a ten foot pole until I’m nailing the validation work more consistently.

Glenn- maybe you can comment on this… I’ve been wrestling with the idea of what exactly happens when someone is tasked to an esoteric target (for sake of argument, let’s say it’s one that does not, in fact, exist). When data "congruent with what was expected" comes back, where is that data coming from? I’m beginning to suspect that in -some- cases, the data may originate simply from mass-belief in some event or phenomenon… let’s say for example the ancient Martian civilization at Cydonia.

-John

Aloha John: That is an interesting point you brought up. I believe that "thoughts" that are given enough mass energy to develop into a "belief" register a holographic template in the collective unconscious that can be "read" as an actaul truth that occurred….I also see that this may hold true for future predictions. I believe that is how we manifest reality…first the "Idea" is registered in the matrix as a holographic template that as it is given energy through focus of intent it coalesces – brings into alignment- the energies necessary for the idea to crystallize into form. I am working on this model of manifestation for discussion with some physicists I know. Wonder if there is a mathematical model that can prove this theory? Hmmm…I missed my calling…should have gone into physics…but it is never too late.

Aloha, Valtra

Glenn’s editorial in the editorial section AN ISLAND OF SANITY is a good bit of writing on the topic of esoteric targets.

As students, our remote viewing experience is mostly fleeting and murky. You get a little tickle of an idea about the target…maybe a visual that is dim, like looking in a dark room. You need to be able to get feedback that is solid, concrete, undeniable. So that you learn to associate that dim fleeting little moment with the reality of the target.

When your target is the Seattle Space Needle you know for sure which data was good and what was imagination.

What we are trying to achieve is a full color, experiential, you-are-there event. It takes a long time to get that good. You have to build your skills one little bit at a time, and you have to have completely solid verifiable feedback for the building blocks. Once we get as good as Glenn,then we can go to Mars.

In class Glenn keeps us on our toes. Mostly its very down to earth validation targets. But every now and then he throws in a photo of a UFO, or a ghost. We had long discussions about our data after the entire class worked a photo of an alleged Bigfoot. We all got the site data correct: forest, stream, etc. We got the lifeform…But was it a man in a furry coat? Or an odd lifeform? Our skills were not quite up to nailing that one at that point in our training.

But when you are showing your work to skeptics and public at large you had better have some plain old stuff in there. He’s an example. I was showing some of my sessions to a friend at work. His comment: "But its ALWAYS fires and explosions and plane crashes. You write ‘ENERGY’ and show stuff blasting away and it will always fit. Come on."

So I took him to the website and showed him Rose’s great session on the Kahiko Kane… men doing the Hula.

His jaw literally dropped.
That impressed him more than Space Shuttle Challenger, Khobar Towers Bombing, or Ron Brown Plane Crash.

Now look at the type of targets they pass out at Psi Tech. ARCHANGEL GABRIEL/CURRENT TIME. This is designed to let people write a bunch of nebulous concepts like "transformative" "Spiritual" "other dimensional" and think they are remote viewing.

There will be time to have some fun, to look at Mars or to go see spiritual beings…. but we have to learn to remote view first.

This has been discussed at some length over the last two years at various websites/e-mail groups.

One of the first theories I ran across was that if a target like Loch Ness does not exist the data will/may indicate the concept of fantasy.

Another theory is that the data will describe something or someone related to the target concept as perhaps the author of the story "Jack And The Beanstalk".

Another theory goes that the sub, working in the matrix or universal conscious or wherever looks for the closest match. In the case of a target asking for Presidential ET announcement, the data may describe the movie Contact.

I don’t think anyone knows and don’t know of any studies on RVing or otherwise psychically trying to

target an object or event that does not exist.

My first thought is that there are any number of facets of psi that should be studied first, but maybe not. Maybe determining the result of targeting non-existent objects will help to eliminate a lot of invalid stuff that does nothing but increase the giggle factor.

Rich

Rich,

I can only assume that you are totally unfamiliar with Dr. Greer and the work of CSETI. Whether his version of remote viewing is something that would actually qualify as such…in the eyes of HRVG or others…..is quite beside the point. What he does works for him and the CSETI folk.

In case you are unfamiliar, let me fill you in a little. He has amassed a couple of hundred direct witnesses to alien phenomena and the back engineering involved. These people include scientists, astronauts (both American and Soviet), military personall, etc. He has tried for years to get Congress to hold open public hearings where these people could speak. He also has what he calls a ‘trainload’ of physical evidence that he would like to display. He is now trying to find private funding for an attempt to saturate the world media with the information that he has. He does this because Congress is…"like a deer caught in the headlights"…..regarding this issue…unable to act.

Also, the few people in his group who have allowed their names to be used openly, reads like a Who’s Who of various disciplines. For instance, Edgar Mitchell…who walked on the moon….is in his group.

I am afraid that your post sounded "PSI TECHish" which, I’m sure, is not what you intended.

Kay

I can’t comment on your individual experience but he has made some really far out claims on the results of his "RV" contact sessions and other ET contact experiences.

Despite his claims he can’t seem to document them, and for all his efforts he apparently can’t get anyone of note to do one of these excursions with him. So, I am not sure where this amazing success rate comes from.

Skeptically speaking, could what you saw/felt have been the result of deliberate staging and/or "getting caught up"? If you had spent a long day and then a long night on a topic, is it possible to have been "conditioned"?

The "distant lights" seems to be a feature of his outings.

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Hi Kay,

I remember that we sort of paddled in the same boat on a few websites going back a couple of years now so I feel we can discuss a few things freely. If someone thinks it is out of place here we can go private or drop it.

Rich, I can only assume that you are totally unfamiliar with Dr. Greer and the work of CSETI.

I have followed Greer a couple of years along with others since the Hale-Bopp days. I was at first really impressed with his mission and direction. However, I have some real problems with several of his claims such as the ET encounter in Mexico and his announcement of a gas attack battle of ETs vs the military in the Rocky mountains. I also find much of the info on his website really Art Bellish such as the personal opinions of a priest being parlayed into an official vatican position. Then there are the Bob Lazar pictures…and the references to the TNT Russian crash that has been shown to be a hoax…at least he doesn’t have the Mexican UFO and the Phoenix lights as references.. :)

Whether his version of remote viewing is something that would actually qualify as such…in the eyes of HRVG or others…..is quite beside the point. What he does works for him and the CSETI folk.

I agree, most every psychic method is now being called RV. Even Joe MacMoneagle uses the term for his work while also stating that he does not use the Swann type methodologies. The problem seems to stem from the use of the word "protocols" interchangeably with the word "method". Protocols properly refer to the scientific controls documenting a session….blind viewer, blind monitor, feedback….etc. There is at least one other person using a freestyle "RV" method and teaching it for free via the internet.

In case you are unfamiliar, let me fill you in a little. He has amassed a couple of hundred direct witnesses to alien phenomena and the back engineering involved. These people include scientists, astronauts (both American and Soviet), military personall, etc. He has tried for years to get Congress to hold open public hearings where these people could speak.

This is what first impressed me and I hoped he would be able to overcome the giggle factor and whatever clout the possible coverup group may have. Again, his most recent congressional "event" was given a huge amount of spin implying a lot of first hand governmental and medea interest when in reality there was very little. I don’t believe he ever produced a complete list of attendees. This is also the first time I have heard that he has a couple of hundred witnesses. I would think that number could make a big splash.

He also has what he calls a ‘trainload’ of physical evidence that he would like to display.

I don’t understand what prevents him from doing so. Physical evidence it the one MAIN thing that has been lacking in ET/UFO investigations.

He is now trying to find private funding for an attempt to saturate the world media with the information that he has.

I’m not sure how private funding would saturate the world medea. Seems to me that the physical evidence would do a far better job. To me its similar to his ET encounter field trips. With such a high success rate, where is the documentation, the witnesses who can make the necesary inroads? You or I seeing some lights will not do it.

He does this because Congress is…"like a deer caught in the headlights"…..regarding this issue…unable to act.

Unfortunately, that’s their nature in many things.

Also, the few people in his group who have allowed their names to be used openly, reads like a Who’s Who of various disciplines. For instance, Edgar Mitchell…who walked on the moon….is in his group.

Mitchell does get the spotlight but has never seen any direct evidence. He claims that people have confided secrete info to him…..including Roswell aliens. On the other hand, other austronuats claim they have neither first hand nor second hand info on ET/UFOs.

Mitchell also says there are no artificial structures on the moon….

"It must be stressed that the wackier people on the fringe of alien matters do the subject no end of damage. Contrary to rumour, there are no alien buildings and structures on the moon. I should know, I was there! "

But, Greer says……on his website

"………..

Dr. Greer interview on Art Bell Radio show Friday Sept. 25th, 1998

Important new revelations about Free Energy
SETI Witness saw Intel photos of artificial structures on the Moon in 1965. Playback interview via Real Audio "………..

I am afraid that your post sounded "PSI TECHish" which, I’m sure, is not what you intended.

OHHH, please no…LOL…call me Sharon from Santa Monica.

By the way I have tried several times to get clarification on things but all I ever get back is a solicitation for donations.

For me, there’s too much sensationalism driving most websites and people covering either RV or UFOs. This is one of the few that does a good job of just presenting its data and following up on what they present.

Rich