I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
This is posted in the Psi Tech BB. I see why Glenn doesn’t like them but I’d like to hear Glenn’s answer to these charges.
Topic:
Who is Glenn Wheaton? (1 of 1)
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Website Announcements
From:
Joni Dourif (jonidourif@trv-psitech.com)
Date:
Friday, September 11, 1998
Who is Glenn Wheaton?
Let me tell you the story of Glenn Wheaton from the beginning to the end of his involvement with us.
When PSI TECH first started its website with chatrooms, Glenn Wheaton sat in our chatroom almost 24 hours a day. Before he knew who I was, he told me that he was a "trained Remote Viewer from the military unit" I had never heard of him, so, I asked, "who trained you?" He told me "General Albert Stubblebine." I knew that General Stubblebine, himself, was never trained, so I confronted Glenn with this. He was quiet and came back later with a new story. Now, he was trained by a "somebody Ireland" that no one had ever heard of. As time went by, Glenn read all the books which came out on RV and began reciting their various stories as though they were his experiences. Ed had never heard of Glenn Wheaton either so, I began to inquire about him. Colonel John Alexander (who was right hand man to General Stubblebine in INSCOM and a former Special Forces Officer in Vietnam) had never heard of him. In fact, even the other military remote viewers (who constantly bicker about PSI TECH) had never heard of him. Glenn Wheaton bought the first PSI TECH training tape, Module 1.0, and began cohorting with Prudence Calabrese and other civilian ‘spin off – self proclaimed – RV experts.’
Glenn Wheaton believes that he will succeed based on civilian ignorance of the military intelligence community. He uses the old worn out line of not being able to reveal evidence of his Intell RV background because "it’s classified" and "Top secret". It’s true that he was enlisted in the army and worked in South America on (B-team support) classified jobs, but, Glenn Wheaton was not involved in the DoD’s (Dept. of Defense) Remote Viewing Unit or the CIA’s Remote Viewing program. He claims, now, to have been involved in the (now defunct) ASA’s (Army Security Agency) and the NSA’s (National Security Agency) alleged RV programs. However, NO ONE in Intell has heard of these. Do not be fooled by this man. He has learned the first 3 stages of RV from PSI TECH’s first TRV training tape and has turned it into a "parlor trick gimmick" to attract naive PSI seekers.
He claims to have been banned from PSI TECH’s bulletin board by me, while pretending to be on friendly terms with Ed. However, he knows very well that Major Dames himself did the banning. I have the letters he wrote to Ed asking him why.
We have many witnesses of Glenn’s evolving egotistical fantasies over the years. He was finally banned from PSI TECH’s chatroom, as well.
PS. By the way, Glenn, if you’re going to scream "lawsuit" again, remember that in court you have to produce evidence.
Joni Dourif
PSI TECH,VP
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
This has been answered…. I guess we can dig up the post from the archives and repost it.
Patrick, I’m busy right now… I have to remote view tonight in support of some work we’re doing for a client. But I’ll send you a private email with a bit of the history, within the next day or so.
Aloha
Dick
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
I’d also be interested in Why Lynn, Joe, Paul or any other of the military viewers never mention Glen.In fact when asked on the Stargate viewers list Lynn had no clue who Glen Wheaton was.How come?
This has been answered…. I guess we can dig up the post from the archives and repost it.
Patrick, I’m busy right now… I have to remote view tonight in support of some work we’re doing for a client. But I’ll send you a private email with a bit of the history, within the next day or so.
Aloha Dick
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
I can speak to a little of this, having spent many an evening in the PSI TECH chat room with Glenn and Joni. Now, I do not pretend to have any personal knowledge of Glenn’s credentials nor those of Major Dames. I do know what happened in that chat room, night after night, and I never understood why Glenn kept coming back.
Glenn presented himself as a military remote viewer from a different group entirely that, if my memory serves, actually predated Dames’ group. We had no reason to doubt him and still don’t.
Night after night Glenn came to discuss remote viewing. Night after night Joni attacked his credentials and refused to believe he was who he said he was. I don’t know who she thought he was and why she thought some kind of imposter would hang out in her chat room….but that’s Joni.
Glenn was there to talk about remote viewing. Those of us who were trying to learn about this skill were asking questions of Glenn because Joni and Dames were not forthcoming. Glenn shared his knowledge with us freely and we learned more from him in an evening than from Dames in a month. In fact, he was the only one there who seemed to know anything about remote viewing and truly interested in talking about it. He even shared details of the project he was working on at the time and kept us posted, nightly.
GLenn behaved toward Joni in a very gentlemanly fashion. She was in her typical attack mode and Glenn was forever calm, cool and cordial. Well, except for one night when she kind of got to him and we had to beg him to stick around.
I do not in anyway understand why Joni feels it necessary to attack Glenn. Except, of course, that any other remote viewer is a threat to Dames. Dames apparently cannot stand on his own merits. He (translate to ‘she’) has to make himself large by tearing down everyone else. It is such a classic case of…..either a terrible inferiority complex(the most likely) or the world’s most megalomanical ego. It is the kind of thing I have always lectured my kids about. Do not try to make yourself look good by making others look bad. I would like to turn them both over my knee and I am fed up to the teeth with this whole issue.
Joni keeps accusing Glenn of some plot of some kind but, all Glenn ever wanted to do was be involved with remote viewing. He has not tried to steal PSI TECH students and he did not set out to discredit PSI TECH. They attacked him from the very beginning and Glenn took it for a very long time. Anything he has done since is simply because, sooner or later, a person has to stand up and defend themselves when people are slandering and libeling.
As a person who, for 2 1/2 years, has been trying to get involved in remote viewing and figure out who all the players are….and I am not a kid…..I am a grown woman (and then some) with some savvy and intuition….who belated told PSI TECH good-bye with great reluctance…..Glenn Wheaton has forgotten more about remote viewing than Ed Dames will ever know and he’s gentleman to boot.
Kay
I’d also be interested in Why Lynn, Joe, Paul or any other of the military viewers never mention Glen.In fact when asked on the Stargate viewers list Lynn had no clue who Glen Wheaton was.How come?
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
Welcome to HRVG Patrick! You Too Betty. ALoha!
Psi-Tech followers are more than welcome to visit our site. I hope you indeed see some good work here as everyone gives their all here.
Patrick the post you put up here has indeed been answered many times. But I will clarify just a few things for you so that you do not feel that you are ignored or slighted.
First I have a very nice Military career. I make a point to show all my cohorts in the Guild a great number of documents, Awards, Evals etc.
I do not have to prove anything more to them.
My first Experience with RV was in the ASA in the 70’s.
Back then it wasn’t called RV but it was called beaconing. I participated in program that did not make the jump to Inscom when the big change occurred in 1977.
It was shortly thereafter that SF Intel recruited most of us and we all disappeared into the night. The formation of the group at Ft. Meade had nothing to do with us. We were still ASA tucked away in Special Operations Detachments. The SOD is an Intel unit you will never hear about. I will not attempt to convince you of its existence or function. It’s just a smidge more Black than any unit the Major was ever assigned to. To get there you gotta be on your toes and be one of the 3 out of a hundred that can make the grade.
Joni likes to twist the Stubblebine reference alot. General Stubblebine provided fundsites for our participation in programs such as NLP and of course the
Quarterly spoon bending breakfast. I am pleased to say that I was an Honor Grad at both. (Humor)
In 1982 a psychic was contracted to produce the protocol structure that we use here in the Guild. It is now as it was then. I have not changed it. It is the house protocols here although we learn all published protocols.
My interest in what the folks at Meade did is high. I have never stated that I was a member of that organization. My career was in SOF Intel. My clearance level is Top Secret SI with a string of words behind it I would not dare to say. I like my freedom too much.
The land of SOF includes Dirty Deeds and Intel like you would perhaps not believe. Everything from beaconing to paying the village witchdoctor for the weather information for the coming week. And yes I have paid the village witchdoctor for weather information. And I was reimbursed.
Now lets get to the real meat of the Issue. It is not me. I do not really care if Psi-Tech or anyone else accepts my BonaFides. It is all about Remote Viewing.
As you have visited our site, I would say be skeptical of me as you please. It’s ok you don’t know me. You have not been with me where I have been.
THE PROOF is in the work of those that I train with and work with.
Look at the work here.
Look at what the viewers have accomplished on their own.
I have yet to see Psi-Tech publish anything near the quality of our work. It can be done..TRV works.. It isn’t done because there is no joy there :(
This site has the only future prediction that is documented using RV posted on it. The chain of custody is solid!
I would like to be judged on the performance of those that I train.
Joni makes light of the fact that Prudence Calabrese has visited and worked with us and us with her. Prudence is a good person and a fine Viewer. I hope she regards me and the Guild as a friend. A lifelong Friend.
I would ask you to look around the site, excuse our shortcomings as we have a few. Make your mind up about me and those that train with me based on what you see. Not what Joni tells you. We are Honest, simple and are great people to work and play with.
Aloha Glenn
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
Hi Patrick..
I’ve seen Glenn’s military records, and his remote viewing work. And I have personally experienced his instruction, which has made me a remote viewer.
Later this week we will post the results of our students’ first operational target. You will be able to see all the raw data, all the (student produced) analysis and conclusions, as well as the target feedback.
We invite you to comment on that…ask questions…tell us if you think we made fundamental mistakes. Feel free to comment on and criticize our work. Your posts will be displayed and left up for all to see.
I say we start talking about Remote Viewing and learn how to get better at this amazing skill. Psi Tech folks are welcome here.
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
Aloha to that.
I’ve seen Joe McMoneagle speak, and he’s a gentleman, too. He would only say positive things – he deliberately avoided making statements about Ed Dooms (drat – keep getting mixed up! DAMES :) )when asked about RV training. What he pointedly said, was, he would ONLY recommend Lyn Buchanan OR Paul Smith. Just his opinion, but I can well believe he would have no opinion of Glenn or HRVG, having had no contact or experience with them – not slating them.
I also find it a bit curious that Glenn’s "style" (only gleaned from my readings here) is similar to Joe’s, and Ed’s is as dry as grains of sand in the sahara – but that is no reflection on the TRV tapes. Gee, I even remote "sensed" one of the training targets on Module 1.0 while I was watching the tape!
I’m a long (physical) way from any training. I would dearly love to meet and train with Glenn – I rely on intuition to sort these things out.
Keep up the good work, HRVG
Doug
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
I am not a Psi-Tech follower
I am not an ignorant civilian either.
But, I have a few problems with your explanation.
The early RV program was declassified in 1995. Neither you, nor your claims were mentioned anywhere.
There is only one legitimate RV program that I can trace out of the hoards of written material and documentaries. The program started at The Stanford Research Institute by Dr. Harold Puthoff which involved psychics, Pat Price and Ingo Swann. That program has a chain of custody leading to The Fort Mead unit then to Project Stargate.
I find it a little difficult to believe that an enlisted Special Operations Detachment {S.O.D.} member had a higher clearance level then a commissioned Scientific and Technical Intelligence Officer. Major Dames was assigned to The Joint Chiefs of Staff, and to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. His posted military records clearly indicate that he worked in the top echelon of the Intelligence community
I am not a TRV student, and I don’t know Joni, but I have to agree with her on this point. Remote Viewing has become a popular and lucrative market. RV experts are cropping up everywhere making false claims. I believe that many of them are preying on the public’s eagerness and naivete.
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
I am not a Psi-Tech follower I am not an ignorant civilian either.
I am not a TRV student, and I don’t know Joni, but I have to agree with her on this point. Remote Viewing has become a popular and lucrative market.
Not too lucrative for Glenn. He does everything for free.
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
Aloha again Patrick,
You have changed your tone from one of questioning to one with just a bit too much spite.
It is not important whether or not you are a follower of Psi-Tech.
Civilians are not ignorant!!
Whether you have "problems" with my explanation to you is not a concern to me.
You asked I answered. I think that was considerate.
As to the level of my clearance Pccf has the record of my various access. I have done alot in 22 years. Like I said a very nice Career. SOD is and Unconventional Unit, not bound by the conventional rules of warfare. We have always used what we wanted, when we wanted.
You speak about me being enlisted like it was some kind of limiting factor. Believe me Non-Commissioned Officers are the Backbone of the Army. They make the Army work. NCO’s are the CORPS ELITE!
As to what you can determine to be the only legitimate program from the hoards of material you have gone through I would bring your attention to the fact that the Fort Meade program was Declassified. There are many dozens of Programs concerning things of this controversial nature that are not and will not be declassified until the timed declassification matures. Not to mention those programs and escapades that are Exempt from General Declassification.
As to Maj. Dames I do not believe that his degree is in Engineering or any Science degree whatsoever. He was assigned duties as an electronic warfare cryptologic officer. He was not a CI officer. His career is no doubt very notable and his service exemplary. As an officer in the CMF 37 he no doubt served our nation well. The Major gets my Salute anyday!
You ignored a great deal of my reply to you. The evidence on what I know is here on this site, where you are my guest. I would like to hear your remarks or comments concerning the work here. It would be a courteous thing to do. If you have questions we will answer them. If you need any help understanding what you see let us know, we will help you.
It is my opinion that you are here solely to attack my credibility, I assure you this is an exercise in futility. I do not care if you believe or disbelieve me. It is not important. One should never be distracted from the Evidence or proof of performance. This site just so happens to be the repository for that which I do claim. Good RV work, that continues to improve. It’s time for your opinion on that; I know your opinion of me.
You are invited to respond, but remember you are my guest.
Aloha Glenn
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
Aloha Again Patrick,
I almost missed your last comments above.
You said…
Remote Viewing has
become a popular and lucrative market. RV experts are cropping up everywhere making false claims. I believe
that many of them are preying on the public’s eagerness and naivete.
A> We are not a business. We are not marketing RV. We are a Guild. A Guild is a group of craftsmen. RV is our craftwork. We have made no false claims. We have not preyed on the public.
A good example of preying on the public may look something like this; please watch for it and be sure to speak out against it…
The typical Public Prey!
/example/
The world is ending!! You will need to find sanctuary…
Learn to Remote View with us and find your own sanctuary.
/end example/
I hope you will excuse my flippant attitude , it is the result of watching the above ploy too many times.
Aloha Glenn
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
You can not discredit integrity and truth. Those who try only discredit themselves. Aloha, Valtra
Re: I see why Glenn doesn’t like Psi-Tech.
We might also point out, to Patrick, that Joni has attacked every other remote viewer in the entire world except for Ingo Swann. Even Joni would not dare do that, I think. I refer him to the writing called "Will The Real Lyn Buchanan Please Stand Up" as an example.
Glenn, of course, is getting special treatment because he has chosen to go ‘toe to toe’ (one of Dames’s favorite expressions) with her while the others have deliberately kept their distance.
SInce no one here has asked me for any money I can only assume there is atruism at work.
Kay
Aloha Again Patrick, I almost missed your last comments above.
You said…
Remote Viewing has become a popular and lucrative market. RV experts are cropping up everywhere making false claims. I believe that many of them are preying on the public’s eagerness and naivete.
A> We are not a business. We are not marketing RV. We are a Guild. A Guild is a group of craftsmen. RV is our craftwork. We have made no false claims. We have not preyed on the public.
A good example of preying on the public may look something like this; please watch for it and be sure to speak out against it…
The typical Public Prey! /example/ The world is ending!! You will need to find sanctuary… Learn to Remote View with us and find your own sanctuary. /end example/
I hope you will excuse my flippant attitude , it is the result of watching the above ploy too many times.
Aloha Glenn