Non-locality & quantum holography – don’t miss this one!

Aloha Lucid,

After sorting through all the technobabble in the very good post one thing still bothers me. The Quantum Hologram has not been proven. The name itself is a dicotomy. For a Quantum Hologram to exist would imply that complex sub-quontum particles exist. I would like to see more than conjecture about the theory. I believe that Non-Local communication will become local communication when they figure out the connectivity between distant particles.

Aloha Glenn

OK, non-locality probably, note "probably", appears to be non-local because of our limited understanding of dimensionality. I think there is ample evidence for "non-locality" in the sense that there is an apparent connectivity between any and all possible points in the universe. An electromagnetic wave propagating through space is a manifestation of a phenomenon as we can record it in 3 domensional space. I do NOT believe that the "Sub" is limited by 3 dimensionality. Remember, any particle or wave propagation through space is ONLY as we see it on a 3 dimensional level. I don’t think RV can be attributed to electromagnetics, RV just doesn’t conform to 3 dimensional physics. That has been proven over and over again.

I’d like to pose this question…If we can RV the surface of the planet Pluto and it takes us less time to get there than it takes for light to get there, then we have proof of non-locality…because according to physics as we know it, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Electromagnetic Wave propagation just doesn’t make the cut whichever way you look at it. We may not be able to explain why RV works yet, but we can observe results and draw conclusions as to what it isn’t, based on science that we do know. Based on this science I think anyone who examines RV related phenomena will come to the conclusion that the aquisition of data is non-local and non-temporal in nature. The holographic unverse model is dependent on non-local aspects, and in my opinion seems quite plausible.

Aloha,

Jim

Aloha Lucid,

After sorting through all the technobabble in the very good post one thing still bothers me. The Quantum Hologram has not been proven. The name itself is a dicotomy. For a Quantum Hologram to exist would imply that complex sub-quontum particles exist. I would like to see more than conjecture about the theory. I believe that Non-Local communication will become local communication when they figure out the connectivity between distant particles.

Aloha Glenn

Lucid,

There is way too much technobabble in this article. Plus the Quantum Hologram has certainly not been proven….it’s just a cute theory.

J.P.

See the post by Larry on Ken’s new BB..

>

I must agree, some more time can be spent to reduce the

discription, Alawyer once told me he sent a long letter to someone apoligising for the length of the letter and said if he had more time it would be more breif. Give them nibbels.
JEDI See the post by Larry on Ken’s new BB..

>

Aloha

Theoretically a group of people with intent and focus can create a holgraphic image with their mutual thought focused on a space in front of them. Once this holographic image takes its form the next jump is to change the molecular structure into material existence.
This would that alot of talent. An interesting goal.

Banshee See the post by Larry on Ken’s new BB..

>

Aloha JIm,

I love a great debate :)

Perhaps the Universal collective has a synaptic surge of sorts that is not based on the speed but a common web of connectivity that is in a range of frequency where propagation is not quantified by time or distance. We understand the concept of folding space, perhaps our subconscious understands it better.

Aloha Glenn

Glenn told us that there were measurable ELECTROMAGNETTIC fields measured at the RV site.

BUT
This is troubling me to one extent , how is it that one would go to another planet faster than light. Unless we ARE not limmited to TIME and space, as Glenn has taught us.
GLENN, in the experiments you told us of, was it known if the field arrived or appeared, was there a discernment?
As I have understood RV it is a communication skill with your sub, that has access to the matrix, that KNOWS ALL.(Me to sprit to God, cool).

So,******* LOCATION OF THE MATRIX******* seems to be more the question/concern, than another plannet .

Time space seems inconsiquential to RV , I think it would be wise to build a model arround this fact than from current theorie.

JEDI

OK, non-locality probably, note "probably", appears to be non-local because of our limited understanding of dimensionality. I think there is ample evidence for "non-locality" in the sense that there is an apparent connectivity between any and all possible points in the universe. An electromagnetic wave propagating through space is a manifestation of a phenomenon as we can record it in 3 domensional space. I do NOT believe that the "Sub" is limited by 3 dimensionality. Remember, any particle or wave propagation through space is ONLY as we see it on a 3 dimensional level. I don’t think RV can be attributed to electromagnetics, RV just doesn’t conform to 3 dimensional physics. That has been proven over and over again.

I’d like to pose this question…If we can RV the surface of the planet Pluto and it takes us less time to get there than it takes for light to get there, then we have proof of non-locality…because according to physics as we know it, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Electromagnetic Wave propagation just doesn’t make the cut whichever way you look at it. We may not be able to explain why RV works yet, but we can observe results and draw conclusions as to what it isn’t, based on science that we do know. Based on this science I think anyone who examines RV related phenomena will come to the conclusion that the aquisition of data is non-local and non-temporal in nature. The holographic unverse model is dependent on non-local aspects, and in my opinion seems quite plausible.

Aloha, Jim

Elohim spoke and the world was , Habakka 2;2 Speak that which is not as if it were untill it is . Jesus spoke and the wind became (obeyed)calm.
Luminous beings are we ,not this crude matter ,Master YODA
JEDI Aloha Theoretically a group of people with intent and focus can create a holgraphic image with their mutual thought focused on a space in front of them. Once this holographic image takes its form the next jump is to change the molecular structure into material existence. This would that alot of talent. An interesting goal.

Banshee

Mathew 17 , transfigured.

Elohim spoke and the world was , Habakka 2;2 Speak that which is not as if it were untill it is . Jesus spoke and the wind became (obeyed)calm. Luminous beings are we ,not this crude matter ,Master YODA JEDI

Thanks Lucid and Ken…
for generating and interesting thread.

J.P. and Glenn,

Electromagnetic waves move away from us at the speed of light. You can’t tune into yesterday’s radio show unless you can move faster than light (or transcend space/time). And it’s impossible to tune into tomorrow’s show..

To my knowledge, it’s possible to view both past and future events. I know HRVG hasn’t done too much experimentation with the latter, but from other sources I have gathered that time as such is not a barrier in RV. Tasking, on the other hand, may be :)

Quantum functionality in the brain’s microtubules may explain the ability to transcend space/time but..

Lucid, There is way too much technobabble in this article. Plus the Quantum Hologram has certainly not been proven….it’s just a cute theory.

So it’s better to have no theory..?

What I liked in the article is that it included the most mysterious aspect of reality: "intent".

Does a viewer "tune into" the target’s electromagnetic field? I don’t think so. From a viewer’s point of view, all targets are just "somewhere out there". And intent is what takes the viewer to the target.

Without an "information dimension" that is more than just frequencies, it wouldn’t be possible to locate a target. This basically means that even quantum holography is not enough to explain RV. Perhaps it is consciousness that "makes" the universe..

I mean, "I" am not my thoughts, my emotions, my experiences.. Instead they are mine.

EM waves weaken over time.

not to mention other problems with the EM theory:

suppose you want to view the andromeda galaxy. Does it take 13 years to get the info?? Em doesn’t travel faster than light. And by my experience, RV is instantaneous.

also, how could future events be imprinted in EM? It doesn’t make sense.

To my knowledge, it’s possible to view both past and future events. I know HRVG hasn’t done too much experimentation with the latter, but from other sources I have gathered that time as such is not a barrier in RV. Tasking, on the other hand, may be :)

Hi Lucid…

I don’t want to rag on you here, because this is a great thread you started, and we are all enjoying the discourse.
But (as the sort of unofficial publicist of the organization I should point out) HRVG is the only remote viewing group to accurately predict a future event. It was notarized, signed, sealed, delivered prior to happening. The presentation is posted over under the PROJECTS button.

So yes, you are right- time is not at all as we understand it.

I wonder if we will ever really figure out who remote viewing works?

Aloha

Dick

I have remote viewed the Andromeda Glaxay, it took me one hour to get there, view what was there, look around and come back to earth :) RV is instantaneous.

Banshee

not to mention other problems with the EM theory:

suppose you want to view the andromeda galaxy. Does it take 13 years to get the info?? Em doesn’t travel faster than light. And by my experience, RV is instantaneous.

also, how could future events be imprinted in EM? It doesn’t make sense.

>

Hmmm, interesting, when I wrote my first post under this thread I was thinking about making the Andromeda Galaxy the example, but chose Pluto instead due to the relatively more substantiated data we have on Pluto…anyway…

Synchronicity rules!

Jim

not to mention other problems with the EM theory:

suppose you want to view the andromeda galaxy. Does it take 13 years to get the info?? Em doesn’t travel faster than light. And by my experience, RV is instantaneous.

also, how could future events be imprinted in EM? It doesn’t make sense.

>

But (as the sort of unofficial publicist of the organization I should point out) HRVG is the only remote viewing group to accurately predict a future event. It was notarized, signed, sealed, delivered prior to happening. The presentation is posted over under the PROJECTS button.

Oh yes, but we should not forget the PEAR lab :)

They have done quite a few precognitive remote perception experiments.. (documented in Margins of Reality, by Robert G. Jahn and Brenda J. Dunne).

Very interesting thread. The funny thing is that both sides of the debate may be correct. The quantum hologram which incorporates (at least) four dimensions, would exist in all places at once in our three dimensional universe. The hologram of an asteroid in a distant galaxy would be just as much ‘here’ as it would be ‘there’. As physicist and Nobel laureat Richard Fineman once said (regarding elctromagnetic radiation), "And it’s ALL right here". He may have been more correct than he realized. Our brains are ‘transducers’. Transducing all input including acoustic vibrations (sound), taste, smell, sight into electrochemical (electromagnetic) impulses. ALL of our perceptions are transduced to EM and, as in sight, by EM. If the quantum hologram of the asteroid in another galaxy exists everywhere in the universe, then it also exists within our brains. We, through quantum meachanics, can communicate with this asteroid because it’s information is always in the exact spot it needs to be in our brains for communication to occur. In standard procedure, the information is transduced to EM and probably by EM to our brains, virtually instantaneously, where we sketch our our first Visid of the asteroid.

Food for thought. Rich B.

OK, non-locality probably, note "probably", appears to be non-local because of our limited understanding of dimensionality. I think there is ample evidence for "non-locality" in the sense that there is an apparent connectivity between any and all possible points in the universe. An electromagnetic wave propagating through space is a manifestation of a phenomenon as we can record it in 3 domensional space. I do NOT believe that the "Sub" is limited by 3 dimensionality. Remember, any particle or wave propagation through space is ONLY as we see it on a 3 dimensional level. I don’t think RV can be attributed to electromagnetics, RV just doesn’t conform to 3 dimensional physics. That has been proven over and over again.

I’d like to pose this question…If we can RV the surface of the planet Pluto and it takes us less time to get there than it takes for light to get there, then we have proof of non-locality…because according to physics as we know it, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Electromagnetic Wave propagation just doesn’t make the cut whichever way you look at it. We may not be able to explain why RV works yet, but we can observe results and draw conclusions as to what it isn’t, based on science that we do know. Based on this science I think anyone who examines RV related phenomena will come to the conclusion that the aquisition of data is non-local and non-temporal in nature. The holographic unverse model is dependent on non-local aspects, and in my opinion seems quite plausible.

Aloha, Jim

Thanks for another good link.

Lucid.. your original post has generated a lot of interesting discussion. It even spilled over to our weekly brunch at Glenn’s house. We were batting a lot of these ideas around all day (along with celebrating JimK’s birthday.)
Aloha
Dick

One of my Drill instructors used to say ,,It’s just mind over matter. I no longer mind because you no longer matter. Rv is mind over matter, The mind no longer is limmited by "matter". It is no longer concerned with space, time, or distance.

As to the thread, Speed is not a factor,distance is not a factor, Time is not a factor. They are not in the equasion. Rv does not even have relevance to them. Like an algebra problem,it’s not in the equasion.
Simply because the mind uses a by pass to these things to do RV.It does not warp time,fold distance,or manipulate matter, it goes on a different rout,plane ,place.
Dame’s, Glenn, Jo Mcnmoneagle, said mind is outside of time, and space. If it’s outside then they are not in the model ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You’re looking in the wrong place.
No I have no model, Talk to Yoda (Glenn)
JEDI
PS has everyone heard the Wierd Al Yankovic song About the Phantom Mennace.

Thanks for another good link. Lucid.. your original post has generated a lot of interesting discussion. It even spilled over to our weekly brunch at Glenn’s house. We were batting a lot of these ideas around all day (along with celebrating JimK’s birthday.) Aloha Dick

Back just in time for a good thread, I see. As impossible as it is to say (with anything remotely close to certainty) how RV works, it’s endless fun to try.

Dick, I have written down this week’s targets with the INTENT to do my homework. And saying that just reminded me that I have yet to send my September dues…I’ll post it ASAP.

Dan

>

Hi Lucid… I don’t want to rag on you here, because this is a great thread you started, and we are all enjoying the discourse. But (as the sort of unofficial publicist of the organization I should point out) HRVG is the only remote viewing group to accurately predict a future event. It was notarized, signed, sealed, delivered prior to happening. The presentation is posted over under the PROJECTS button.

So yes, you are right- time is not at all as we understand it.

I wonder if we will ever really figure out who remote viewing works?

Aloha Dick

Hey Dan! Where are you these days? Aloha, Mana

>

Hi.

Well, I’m in Florida. West Palm Beach to be exact. Job in Illinois fell through, and I just got employed here last week. My mind has been chock full of stuff, and the last thing I could do was sit down and concentrate on RV for an hour. I’ve barely had time to check in with the BB. As you can see, this week has flown by, and I have yet to trun in a session or post those dues. :-)

dan

Hey Dan! Where are you these days? Aloha, Mana

Hi Dan! No worries! I know what it means to move and get settled somewhere..Take care and stay in touch :)! Aloha, Mana