Skeptic Test update

Aloha Dr. Harris,

Be prepared to have your view and concept of "reality" gently shifted. The human mind goes far beyond the conventional medical understanding of its boundaries and functioning. We look foward to working with you. Cue that sucker well Sir…you are in for a suprise :)
Peace
Rose

I met with our Skeptic, Dr. William Harris today and gave him instructions on how to cue a target properly.

The target ID should be given to us in the next few days.

MJ001 and MJ002 are currently working operational targets. As soon as we finish up and publish the current projects, we will begin on the skeptics test.

For a brief recap of the test protocols: Dr. Harris will cue a target and assign a target ID. He has a photo of a person, place, structure, event, or something that exists or has happened here in our little universe.

He will have two copies of the target photo. One will be placed in an envelope with the target ID on the outside. The other will be plain, unmarked. He retains possession of both. The one with the ID will be signed by me (on the outside) and notarized.

HRVG works the target. Our work and conclusions will be notarized.

The Skeptic Dr. Harris will then give his unmarked envelope with target photo copy to a CONTROL. (not affiliated with the skepic or HRVG.) The control will take 4 photos (selected by the control) and place them in similar envelopes. Then the control will give 5 photos in 5 unmarked envelopes to the JUDGE….. along with HRVG conclusions and descriptions of the target.

The Judge will attempt to select the correct target photo from the group of 5 photos, based on our work.

After the test… we open the signed, notarized envelope to make sure the Skeptic didn’t pull a switch.

We will publish the results, no matter what the outcome. The Skeptic says he is comfortable with this protocol.

This sounds like it has many loop holes to me and a lot of trouble to control, for example who is the control?he could give out info,who’s the judge,he can be told what is is not then by deduction select the one it is?This is not going to prove anything, whats so dificult in cueing the target for a group that is so well trained according to all this work being shown on the bb. We have a person on Pru’s BB who has very limited training who posts their target work on her BB, for ones in your board give me a simple example of lines to attach to a few targets and I will submit your group a few targets and then lets see how they do, if after the data is posted and you receive the target if the clue wasn’t proper then say what was wrong with it and we will write it off as not good clueing. This way there is no quarms.

Here’s a simple target # wtcs chgs that has been clued with a simple cue.

The procedure sounds ok but you are right about identifications of all parties involved. As for certifying that everyone is on the up and up, I’m not sure how that can be done to satisfy everyone.

Do you really believe that the recent Egyptian tomb openings were actually done for the first time "on camera"?

With all of the hoaxes and frauds taking place with everything from the olympics to Art Bell’s guests to the Whitehouse, there is ample reason to seek the maximum certifiability. Its a pain, but necessary.

As for using your targets, how do I know you are not in cahoots? Actually, I prefer everyone use MY targets.

heh heh.

Nimo,

I don’t fully understand your post, but I’ll try to answer what I can decipher from your run-on sentence structure.

This sounds like it has many loop holes to me and a lot of trouble to control, for example who is the control?he could give out info,

The Skeptic has agreed to the protocol for this test. He is a published scientist and he doesn’t see any loopholes.
The control is also a skeptic, not affiliated with HRVG. It will not be possible for him to give us info about the target photo. Here is why: The SKEPTIC retains possession of the target photo in an envelope until AFTER HRVG submits all the work. The work is dated and notarized and given to the skeptic. Then the skeptic gives a sealed envelope to the CONTROL.

We could modify this part of the procedure. Perhaps we could have the Control give his 4 "control" photos to the Skeptic.. and then have the skeptic give all five to the Judge.

who’s the judge,he can be told what is is not then by deduction select the one it is?

That was an oddly constructed sentence at best. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. "WHO’S THE

JUDGE?" I get that. The judge is an officer in the military who is not affiliated with HRVG, and does not know Glenn. He is, I believe, one of Sita’s commanding officers. "he can be told what is is not then by deduction select the one it is?" Not sure what you mean there. The Judge gets five unmarked envelopes with five photos. He gets a list of statements about the target provided by remote viewing. The question is, can the Judge select the correct photo based (only) on remote viewing data?

>This is not going to prove anything, whats so dificult in cueing the target for a group that is so well trained according to all this work being shown on the bb. We have a person on Pru’s BB who has very limited training who posts their target work on her BB, for ones in your board give me a simple example of lines to attach to a few targets and I will submit your group a few targets and then lets see how they do, if after the data is posted and you receive the target if the clue wasn’t proper then say what was wrong with it and we will write it off as not good clueing. This way there is no quarms. Here’s a simple target # wtcs chgs that has been clued with a simple cue.

To submit a target for viewing by HRVG there is a procedure you must follow. It is listed in the FAQ section under the "Library" button to the left of the homepage.

We will identify the Skeptic, the Control and the Judge, and we will post statements from all of them (as well as email addresses and maybe photos) as the test progesses.

For now I can tell you this:

The Skeptic is William Harris, MD. He is an author, composer, retired emergency room physician. He subscribes to the Skeptical Enquirer. He does not believe in life after death. He thinks all UFO sightings are readily explained natural phenomena. He doesn’t believe in the paranormal at all. I became acquainted with him at the Vegetarian Society of Honolulu. He has seen some of the work posted on our sessions pages. He finds it interesting enough that he is willing to give it a fair test. I’ll try to get him to post a comment here.

The Control is Andrew Jackson, famous deceased Confederate General. We will be communicating with him via a channel. No just kidding. Andy Jackson (real name) is the Promotions Director at KITV. I work with him. He thinks our work is interesting, but believes our hits are the result of coincidence or blind luck. He has stated "all of your targets are plane crashes, fires, and explosions. All you have to do is describe something like that and you call it a hit." His only involvement will be to select 4 different photographs and place them in manila envelopes. Those will be used as the control photos, mixed in with the real photo. He will not know what the target photo is. He doesn’t know the Skeptic or the Judge.

The JUDGE… is a general in the Hawaii national guard.. I think. Sita.. can you fill us in? I don’t know the gentleman.

Aloha Capt.Nimo,

Just curious as to why you are being so challenging and hostile. All we are going to do is to prove to a skeptic that Remote Viewing works, and do it with an impeccable chain of custody.
Peace
Banshee

This sounds like it has many loop holes to me and a lot of trouble to control, for example who is the control?he could give out info,who’s the judge,he can be told what is is not then by deduction select the one it is?This is not going to prove anything, whats so dificult in cueing the target for a group that is so well trained according to all this work being shown on the bb. We have a person on Pru’s BB who has very limited training who posts their target work on her BB, for ones in your board give me a simple example of lines to attach to a few targets and I will submit your group a few targets and then lets see how they do, if after the data is posted and you receive the target if the clue wasn’t proper then say what was wrong with it and we will write it off as not good clueing. This way there is no quarms. Here’s a simple target # wtcs chgs that has been clued with a simple cue.

Aloha Capt.Nimo,

Just curious as to why you are being so challenging and hostile. All we are going to do is to prove to a skeptic that Remote Viewing works, and do it with an impeccable chain of custody.
Peace
Banshee

Aloha Capt. Nimo,

I take it that no matter what procedures the test was conducted under there would be someone to voice dissent. We are not doing the Skeptics test for the skeptic or the world.

The Viewers in the Hawai’i Remote Viewers Guild are doing it for the promotion of their own training and experience. Your comments about the many loopholes are not called for in the light of how you presented them. They tend to say that we somehow owe something more than what we are doing.

This is the Hawai’i Remote Viewers Guild, not the lawyers guild. We function within our means and train within a very tight budget. We depend on our many friends for support and the effort of all the members to do the work.

We accept on a regular basis our defeats and troubles in the application of RV. We are not afraid of our bad work. Every week we deal with correcting and fine tuning our skills to get better, be better, do better.

The last time we submitted work to a skeptics site it was the University of Texas Remote Viewing Experiment Site, Target #19, we did very well on that target, so well that the site shut down and the PROMISED TPR (third party review) was never done. That is what we got from the organized skeptics there "NOTHING". They would not or could not accept the fact that it was done within their protocol. We submitted to that site on the recommendation of Maj. Paul Smith who said they would give any of us a fair deal. It did not happen.

This skeptic’s test is laid out for the Guild members to function under close scrutiny and pressure. Not to convince the world of anything about HRVG. We at least are putting our best foot forward.

WE AT HRVG OWE NOTHING TO ANYONE. WE ARE HONEST AND FAIR. WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. WE ARE ALSO THE REPOSITORY OF SOME VERY FINE VIEWERS. VIEWERS WHO WORK HARD! HOW ABOUT YOU GIVING THEM JUST A BIT OF A BREAK! THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS AND DESERVE TO BE ADDRESSED DIFFERENTLY THAN YOUR POST ON OUR BOARD.

ALOHA

Think you for your response Glen, and I understand your comments that this is nothing more than an exercise for the guild as an in-house project. I just naturally assume that it was going to be another one of those exercises that would be used for a "soap box" type of proof, that supports all types of claims of abilities that we have seen from other groups.Again accept my apopogies for thinking that the intent was mainly for non guild members to see examples of Rv’ng done without all the internal controls, good luck, maybe some day some groups will just say give us a target and we will try our luck with no strings.Too bad that some of the old traits of others still exist, as soon as a person questions another they automatically are labeled hostile, but then I guess since its the guilds BB and they use it for there own data and purpose any comments that are negative in tone or questionable would make the comments hostile.

I will continue to read the guilds work,I find many interesting things.

Nimo,

LOL ! words are sounds, sounds are vibrations, vibrations are energy. Words are a distortion of energy and energy cannot hide.
Banshee
PS Glenn has 2 "n"s

I don’t believe in vegetarians. :)

good luck

Sorry again Glenn, boy are we getting touchy, remind anyone of another BB,well enough said, good luck Guild.