The Devil and Ed Dames.

Fear not and Thine is the Kingdom of Heaven! Keep your heart and mind trained on the sacred sounds of GOD and you shall transmute "evil" into "live". To view the devil, we just need to look at our fears…evil is a reflection of our fears….that energy lurks where fear dwells…know that everyone has the choice to potentiate "evil" or "live"…It is each person’s choice…have the courage to face your fears and transmute them into love/live…live/love wholy or holy….Satan has many faces and forms…it is a state of mind…..it is the outpicturing of fear….it is lust, it is dishonesty, it is manipulation, it is dishonor of other’s beingness, it is anger, it is hatred, it is weakness, it is jealousy, it is apathy, it is prejudice, it is abuse, it is self-serving ….and the list goes on and on…

In remote viewing Satan, which manifestation of evil shall the viewer focus on?…Is not all perception a reflection of the self? Do we not meet Satan each time we remote view? Each time we encounter an experience that sets us into fear or attachment? Each time we are in judgement?

In my quest for spiritual expansion, I have seen the face of the devil more times than I am proud of…I thank the experiences…I welcome the reflections…I am grateful for the knowledge and wisdom that is engendered by the encounter…the feeling of JOY when my Light embraces that abherrant aspect and transmutes it into a life-affirming, creative impulse. That, in my humble opinion, is LIVING (W)HOLY- living in harmony with all of creation….

"Kodoish, Kodoish, Kodoish, Adonai ‘Tsebayoth"! Mar’Yah Eloha! Manalani.

It’s funny. I am almost positive that Ed was saying (and not all that long ago) that anytime he & his folks tried to RV the devil, all they got was data related to depsicable scenes of human suffering & degradation … which I won’t get into here… but that they never found an actual ENTITY.

I almost kind of liked that approach… the devil being the sum of all evils within the matrix, etc. etc. But now it seems like he’s swung back over to chasing down an actual Being?

Help me out here- does anyone else remember what I’m talking about?

But Glenn, there is a difference. You are a remote viewer. When you work a target your subconscious awareness becomes totally immersed in the target’s field…and it manifests as a full experiential reality for you.

Ed Dames does not achieve this level of target contact. Never has, never will. He states that remote "viewing" is an alpha state experience where he merely "downloads ideas" about the target.

I’ve not seen enough target contact in any of his published sessions to worry about him getting too CLOSE to the target.

Aloha Gang

Cannot pass up chirping in on THIS one. The Devil? Satan? NONSENSE! One of the faces of Satan is LUST ROTFL..Oh PLEASE….I think not….Listen let’s not run off helter skelter into our imaginations here gang…are we pioneers and scientists or superstitious fear mongers??… Ed Dames is a MADMAN….Give me a break will ya?
Peace and CLARITY
Rosie

I listened to Maj. Dames (ret) on the Art Bell show last night. I found it very interesting that he is going to go after Satan as an Remote Viewing target. I wondered about that for a bit. He mentioned that Angels can interfere with Remote Viewers and I remembered the Satan is an Angel too. Although a fallen Angel he is still God’s Jailer. His task on Earth is not his choosing but his destiny.

As an Angelic created by God, and who sat at the right hand of God, I wonder what exactly Satan would do if he was brought under observation by a Remote Viewer. What would be his response. We have heard from time to time that Remote Viewing should not be done by some people who are a bit unstable, that it might put them over the edge. What about a stable Remote Viewer that views the ultimate Khaotic Evil Incarnate being on earth?

I would not venture to guess. As Art Bell said "Fools and Ed Dames". When we think about fear in our Hearts and minds I remember the stark fear encountered when the silence of the night is interuppted by a sound in the dark, or swimming in the Ocean and something bumps you in the water. I wonder what a brush with true evil will bring. I for one would like to bypass this type of target. I get chills just thinking about it.

In my life I have had my share of paranormal related scares. Those dreams at night of dark shadows and of course the monster in closet, a few cold premonitions of death on the battlefield, or seeing the lost look in the eyes of a fallen comrade, or the adrenal fear launching off the tailgate of an aircraft in flight into the pitch black of a starless nite. These were nothing in comparison to some of the fears one gets from close contact with things that go bump in the matrix. It will affect you and it will change how you think, at least for a short period of time after the view.

On Oct the 9th 1980 I remote Viewed Anton Zandor Lavey, who was the reigning Black Pope of the San Franciso Headquarters of the 1st Church of Satan. I found the target very unpleasant and wrote a poem afterward about the feeling that remained after looking at Lavey. This is not how I think, nor is it how I am, but these thoughts were what ran amok in my imagination for several days afterward.

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Shrouds of darkness veil the spell rent hate and anger in the pits of hell

souls long lost amid the brim an eternity of burning left to spend

deep in the shadows Satan sits smouldering eyes among the pits

scanning for souls that rise in fear to twist their being, their forms to sear

rolling winds and ashes black impreg their death and hold them back

with malevolent thoughts and monstrous will Satan rips their minds, not saited still

A soul, not quite lost, above the din looks down, then up, then down again

Satan’s fingers claw up towards the shape and greedily search as the heavens quake

there was no mistake, this soul was lost and Satan would have him at any cost

His sins were war, and death and waste Satan drooled freely from that evil taste

with roars and rushes, hooves splitting sod he at last had enticed the soul of God.

G.B. Wheaton

A perfect example why Major Dames should not play with the Devil.

Aloha Glenn

Hi.

I have to admit, Glenn, I was a bit surprised that viewing LaVey proved unpleasant. Not that I would expect it to be a day at Disney World, I just always pegged him for a comedian who had found the skit that made him rich.

Here’s an interesting anecdote that might provide some insight into the world of the COS (btw, I am not, never have been and never would be a member). I have read a few of the CoS endorsed books, including LaVey’s, as I have always had a prurient interest in the fringe. Once I wrote an email to the CoS asking if they had a version of "The Satanic Witch" for men. The response was "No. Wanna write one?"

I almost split my gut laughing over that. Whatever Anton’s intentions might have been in the beginning, in the end CoS was little but a trademark. Of late it seems the LaVey estate is under siege. Despite having bragged of untold numbers of dues-paying members the world over, not to mention scores of book sales, apparently the famous black house is about to be foreclosed on (they needed a mortgage???).

This whole Dames/Devil thing is certainly ridiculous. I wonder what sort of details Dames will come back with–I for one am very interested to know what Satan eats for breakfast, where he lives, and what his breath smells like, not to mention his attitude towards RVers hanging around his place. Certainly the Angel of Infernal Darkness would be aware of such intrusions, wouldn’t he? Is he tall? Does he have bat-wings? Was he for or against the Hale-Bopp plant pathogen?

For those of you interested in more sane treatments of good/evil in our everyday lives, check out the January 1999 issue of the Atlantic Monthly for Roger Shattuck’s article, "When Evil is Cool." Good one.

Dan

Aloha Gang Cannot pass up chirping in on THIS one. The Devil? Satan? NONSENSE! One of the faces of Satan is LUST ROTFL..Oh PLEASE….I think not….Listen let’s not run off helter skelter into our imaginations here gang…are we pioneers and scientists or superstitious fear mongers??… Ed Dames is a MADMAN….Give me a break will ya? Peace and CLARITY Rosie

LOL…LOL… you killing me with laughter. Stop please. Lol…Lol..Lol…):-o:)

about him getting too CLOSE to the target.

That was VERyyyyyyy Interesting about the devil being a reflection of self. Then thee is no Being to RV? If thats the case God is also a reflection of self? I think so. There is no being to RV but oneself. Makes perfect sense to me in a very broad way. And if thats the case, is there an INNER GUIDE we can RV? That too is probably a reflection of ourself. Are inner guides and angels just a reflection of ourselves?

Why not just do to Dames what Seth did to Osiris? Oh well. Never mind. Just for a moment it seemed like a good idea. {:-o)

Having typed so many of those bloody transcripts, I can tell you that….when asked about Satan…..Dames has always said that they rv the suffering of children. He has been asked about this many times and his answer was always the same. He never mentioned an entity or a mind that they could probe.

I think the man is either completely around the bend or laughing hysterically that he has managed to find another ‘way out’ target to get Art and his audience excited.

I also did not care for his opinion that….at 49….his life is nearly over so it doesn’t matter if the Devil comes after him. Being slightly older than that and not feeling like life is over, that really irritated me.

Once again what he says is very contradictory. He has said that he wants to survive all the coming calamities because he wants to connect with the aliens (via the psi switch that he is supposed to be marketing?) that will show up once we are decimated. Now he says that he doesn’t care if his life ends. I give up!

It’s funny. I am almost positive that Ed was saying (and not all that long ago) that anytime he & his folks tried to RV the devil, all they got was data related to depsicable scenes of human suffering & degradation … which I won’t get into here… but that they never found an actual ENTITY.

I almost kind of liked that approach… the devil being the sum of all evils within the matrix, etc. etc. But now it seems like he’s swung back over to chasing down an actual Being?

Help me out here- does anyone else remember what I’m talking about?

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Glenn Wrote:

On Oct the 9th 1980 I remote Viewed Anton Zandor Lavey, who was the reigning Black Pope of the San Franciso Headquarters of the 1st Church of Satan. I found the target very unpleasant and wrote a poem afterward about the feeling that remained after looking at Lavey. This is not how I think, nor is it how I am, but these thoughts were what ran amok in my imagination for several days afterward.

gz/801009/wf

Shrouds of darkness veil the spell rent hate and anger in the pits of hell

Glenn,

As far as Dames goes, I have no comment.

It’s not needed. For the first time, I didn’t
listen to the show and won’t. I no longer
gain anything but frustration from listening
to him. Oh yeah, he does make me laugh.
That counts for something.

As far as Anton LaVey goes, I too was surprised

that you had a bad session. I read the Satanic
Bible and much to my surprise, I learned that
The COS does not believe in the devil. The
word Satan was chosen mainly to piss off
the Christians and to show everybody how
opposite they were to Christian thinking.
You know like turning the other cheek &
loving your enemies.

Now, I don’t live my life like LaVey suggested

in the Satanic Bible, but I learned a lot from
that book and it eventually sent me in the
direction I am going today which a very
spiritual searching based. I think Lavey
was a brilliant promoter and showman &
basically was harmless. He was also very
honest in many ways and said what many
were thinking but afraid to say.

The main Church of Satan theme was do

anything that you want, as long as you don’t
hurt anybody else. That’s decent advice in
my book. As long as you define what hurt
means. It doesn’t just mean physical hurt.

Happy Holidays!

Hail Satan? I won’t go that far..,

Joe

:)

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That was VERyyyyyyy Interesting about the devil being a reflection of self. Then thee is no Being to RV? If thats the case God is also a reflection of self? I think so. There is no being to RV but oneself. Makes perfect sense to me in a very broad way. And if thats the case, is there an INNER GUIDE we can RV? That too is probably a reflection of ourself. Are inner guides and angels just a reflection of ourselves?

It just occurred to me that Ed got his first hit. He TRVed the obelisk and dead alien photos and found them to be hoaxes. The question is….did he do this before or after the other analysts posted their results on the

internet?

I wonder who are the Stargate RVers that will be joining his team?

You know, I’d think I’d almost buy that. No- I’d rent it for a while. :-) Certainly as regards Guides, and although I wouldn’t want to categorically say so with regard to "God", I think it’s very possible that a lot of what passes for "God" may in fact be psi manifestations of the self. Or not. :)

That was VERyyyyyyy Interesting about the devil being a reflection of self. Then thee is no Being to RV? If thats the case God is also a reflection of self? I think so. There is no being to RV but oneself. Makes perfect sense to me in a very broad way. And if thats the case, is there an INNER GUIDE we can RV? That too is probably a reflection of ourself. Are inner guides and angels just a reflection of ourselves?

into our imaginations here gang…are we pioneers and scientists or superstitious fear mongers??… Ed Dames is a MADMAN….Give me a break will ya?

Hear Hear.

I think a few of us were raving some time ago about how Ed had clearly decided to jump on & manipulate the "fringe christian market". This is simply more of the same. The exciting thing for Ed with this approach is that no he has REAMS of totally non-confirmable information to "extract" & report. He can say whatever he wants… people with listen with rapt attention & be "amazed"… and unlike many of his more recent predictions/sessions, these ones will be essentially immune to criticism.

Maybe Ed’s not crazy after all.

Peace and CLARITY

And for those who cannot find clarity… Claritin ™.

-John

It is impossible to live your life without hurting other people. This Satanic and Wiccan motto of ‘do what you will if it hurts no one’ is more confining, in many ways, than Christian dogma.

For instance, I know that my rejection of fundamentalist Christianity and my refusal to instill it in my children is one of the biggest ‘hurts’ in my mother’s life but I cannot change it to please her. That credo is just another cage.

Merry Christmas, Joe and Desiree. Merry Christmas to all. (Pox on you who have warm weather and sunshine, like people in Hawaii and Florida). Brrrrr it is cold here.

Kay

Glenn Wrote:

Glenn,

As far as Dames goes, I have no comment. It’s not needed. For the first time, I didn’t listen to the show and won’t. I no longer gain anything but frustration from listening to him. Oh yeah, he does make me laugh. That counts for something.

As far as Anton LaVey goes, I too was surprised that you had a bad session. I read the Satanic Bible and much to my surprise, I learned that The COS does not believe in the devil. The word Satan was chosen mainly to piss off the Christians and to show everybody how opposite they were to Christian thinking. You know like turning the other cheek & loving your enemies.

Now, I don’t live my life like LaVey suggested in the Satanic Bible, but I learned a lot from that book and it eventually sent me in the direction I am going today which a very spiritual searching based. I think Lavey was a brilliant promoter and showman & basically was harmless. He was also very honest in many ways and said what many were thinking but afraid to say.

The main Church of Satan theme was do anything that you want, as long as you don’t hurt anybody else. That’s decent advice in my book. As long as you define what hurt means. It doesn’t just mean physical hurt.

Happy Holidays!

Hail Satan? I won’t go that far..,

Joe