Aloha J.P., Stage 5 is a drop in consciousness to high theta, this is a monitored event. The monitor has a dialog exercise that he/conducts to help keep your focus and attention on target. Equipment is very necessary for this phase, periods of theta in excess of 4 – 5 seconds without monitor dialog is an invitation from the sandman. Solo theta practitioners can have 2 tapes going, one recording their comments on the experience and one with a time/hack dialog and instrutions of a general nature.. Its is a workable state, it just requires us to think about how to execute it …Practice in theta is essential… IE. achieve a theta state- once in theta demonstrate the ability to talk in soft low tones while maintaining high theta, once in theta demonstrate the ability to answer certain logic questions correctly with simple yes no answers…etc… the list of training goals is long and does require practice…Aloha Glenn