The mother of all battles!!

has started on the Art Bell BBS, under coast to coast am, remote wiewing. Get some popcorn and kick back!! ALoha Glenn

Ahhhhhhhh.. I thought things had gotten too quiet :)

If you want to participate in the fun you have to register on AB’s web site to post on his bbs..it takes 1 to 3 days to get password confirmation.

Psi Tech is back to it’s old tricks, attack anyone who asks a direct question and has the audacity to expect an answer.

If they want to start posting old logs they are in serious trouble. Lets start with the logs which prove Joni lied on the Larger U BBs after their attempts to smear Glenn and the HRVG, or how about a string of tantrums in chat… I do not believe it would be wise for Psi Tech to pursue this tac in an international forum.

Aloha Yaana

Aloha Yaana

Aloha Yaana,

I agree, but I just hope I can get enough of this issue out so that everyone can see what we have had to contend with this last year. Keith Rowland won’t let it go on much longer. Speed is essential. Still waiting for the big guns too fire up..lol
Aloha

Drat, We all got busted, deleted and Banned :(

I tried to get a reply from them…just didn’t have enough time.
Aloha :(

Well then I’ll just post what I was going to say here.

This would have gone up on Art’s site:

Well there is a lot of nasty stuff going on here… but I’ll respond to message 605 which ridicules "tagging."

In fact Glenn does have the ability to "tag" people. (Use RV skills to pull information out of their consciousness.)

I saw this demonstrated personally. You can read the account and see the sketches on the Hawaii Remote Viewers Website

www.hrvg.org

I cued a target for several of our members. I didn’t tell anyone about it, or show it to anyone. I brought it to class one night. It was in my possession the whole time.

I pulled Glenn aside to show it to him to see if it was cued properly. He pulled a sketch out of his back pocket of the target with the name of viewer I had tasked to view it written on his sketch.

I was quite impressed. I’m a TV newscaster. I give you my word this happened. You can see the target, my account and Glenn’s sketch on the hrvg library.

www.hrvg.org/library

Go to www.hrvg.org

THen click on LIBRARY
then click on ANECDOTES
Then click on Beyond Remote Viewing.

Glenn Wheaton is a real remote viewer. His skills are impressive to the point of being almost intimidating. He gets very hot when he is attacked personally, but he’s a great guy.

Ask Prudence Calabrese. She spent a week in his guest room. Real remote viewers have no problem getting along with Glenn.

And who is Prudence Calabrese? She is a remote viewer. You can see her session on the hrvg website ‘SIDASHRAM.’ In my opinion its a lot better than Joni’s much touted helcopter session. You can see that on the Psi Tech website and judge for yourself.

I had a great time at Glenn’s house! We shared a ton of information, a bunch of laughs, and even had a few arguements (capital punishment, revenge, and homosexuality were the topics of our only clashes…)

I read some of the posts below concerning the demo objective (target) that I viewed for Rosie. You need to understand a few things: first, this was not a planned demo, but an impromptu session done because I split the class into two groups, but the uneven number of students left Rosie with the short end of the stick – working with me! I asked each of the students to pick something near and dear or interesting to them for their partner to view. We had quite an assortment of objectives, from the death of Princess Di to the great pyramid of Egypt to the Sidashram. It was great fun.

I am quite vocal when I view, so once I started the class kind of swarmed around and watched. It was a short session (half an hour), and I talked about the process as I viewed. It was interactive – some of the students asked questions and I answered as I worked. It was not meant to be an exhibition of my ability or of the validity of RV, but as a way to get Rosie to experience monitoring, and for me to show the students how I work – that I don’t need it dark, or quiet, or what have you, to get results. It was fun! If we had time, I was going to do a more controlled session with a validation objective chosen by the entire class, but the time was limited. When I return to your fair islands I will be happy to oblige. Not many teachers of RV are willing to perform on demand, but I make that a requirement of myself and those who teach for me. I do not consider this "grandstanding" or a circus event, but an essential part of the learning process.

I have also heard that some consider my results atypical. In my viewers’ Unit, there are several viewers who regularly outperform me, and who have more consistent results. My results are simply a matter of discipline and practice, and I firmly believe any one else can achieve the same level with some thought and patience.

I have no doubt as to Glenn’s abilities and strenghts in the field of RV, and though we have different views on things and different methods, we have a similar goal: to integrate remote viewing into one’s life and to bring the process and the results to the public. I don’t believe that anyone working in the field should consider themselves at odds with anyone else. There is tons of room for all methods and styles and personalities.

One more thing: I was taken to task below for mentioning grey dudes and RV-related sex issues publically. In my opinion, if one is aware of a phenomenon related to RV – in this case the reving up of sexual energy in women who remote view – they hold a responsiblity to talk about it openly. I have seen too many people get sexually involved with both teachers and fellow students of remote viewing due to the misunderstanding of what they are experiencing. I always talk openly about this phenomenon, and have found a great reduction in the problem of inappropriate relationships since I started doing so. I hope that all teachers of RV consider the possibility. Most women whoI have trained and who work with me have experienced this surge of sexual energy (men – sorry, it doesn’t affect you this way), and they are grateful to hear that it is normal and not something happening as a result of "remote influencing" or of actual romantic interest on the part of fellow students and teachers.

As for the grey dude stuff, it is a part of who I am, and I will talk about it when I feel like it. If people have a problem with it, then they can choose not to work with me. I do not make any outlandish predictions based o the GD material, and I do not claim to be a prophet. It is something I have been experiencing, and I will not supress it because people do not think it is relevant or "normal." I do not feel it detracts from what I am trying to accomplish, and I keep it separate from the training. I do answer all questions about the GD, and try to answer as honestly as I can. I do not pretend to understand what it is all about.

Lots of love to all

Pru

I was one of the students who witnessed Pru’s demonstration. It is like she said, this was not planned, and Pru graciously gave what the students wanted, a chance to watch her in action. Pru was immediately on target and was able to converse with us and still keep her focus. Just that was an amazing feat. Many students were awed by her performance.

Pru shared openly with her students and made everyone feel comfortable. We enjoyed her training very much and welcomed the opportunity to learn another method of Remote Viewing. We at the HRVG who participated realize that our HRVG leader, is magnanimous to open the doors and encourage his students to explore and learn, to add to our knowledge to become the best that we can be.

Pru…. well said about the Remote Viewing phenomenon and women’s increased libido. Let’s not get too hung up and puritanical about sex. If this is an observed phenomenon, then it should be discussed openly.

I for one try to be open and accepting of others and their differences (doesn’t mean there’s no room for dialogue and disagreements)…. If the grey dude is a part of you Pru, then he comes with the package, and it’s a nice package of energy and personality that you are.

Aloha Pru!

Hey if getting the short of a stick links me to working with a person of such high quality, talent and integrity then heck, just hand me that short stick and let’s start viewing!
It was an honor and pleasure to meet and work with you.
aloha, Rosie

I had a great time at Glenn’s house! We shared a ton of information, a bunch of laughs, and even had a few arguements (capital punishment, revenge, and homosexuality were the topics of our only clashes…)

I read some of the posts below concerning the demo objective (target) that I viewed for Rosie. You need to understand a few things: first, this was not a planned demo, but an impromptu session done because I split the class into two groups, but the uneven number of students left Rosie with the short end of the stick – working with me! I asked each of the students to pick something near and dear or interesting to them for their partner to view. We had quite an assortment of objectives, from the death of Princess Di to the great pyramid of Egypt to the Sidashram. It was great fun.

I am quite vocal when I view, so once I started the class kind of swarmed around and watched. It was a short session (half an hour), and I talked about the process as I viewed. It was interactive – some of the students asked questions and I answered as I worked. It was not meant to be an exhibition of my ability or of the validity of RV, but as a way to get Rosie to experience monitoring, and for me to show the students how I work – that I don’t need it dark, or quiet, or what have you, to get results. It was fun! If we had time, I was going to do a more controlled session with a validation objective chosen by the entire class, but the time was limited. When I return to your fair islands I will be happy to oblige. Not many teachers of RV are willing to perform on demand, but I make that a requirement of myself and those who teach for me. I do not consider this "grandstanding" or a circus event, but an essential part of the learning process.

I have also heard that some consider my results atypical. In my viewers’ Unit, there are several viewers who regularly outperform me, and who have more consistent results. My results are simply a matter of discipline and practice, and I firmly believe any one else can achieve the same level with some thought and patience.

I have no doubt as to Glenn’s abilities and strenghts in the field of RV, and though we have different views on things and different methods, we have a similar goal: to integrate remote viewing into one’s life and to bring the process and the results to the public. I don’t believe that anyone working in the field should consider themselves at odds with anyone else. There is tons of room for all methods and styles and personalities.

One more thing: I was taken to task below for mentioning grey dudes and RV-related sex issues publically. In my opinion, if one is aware of a phenomenon related to RV – in this case the reving up of sexual energy in women who remote view – they hold a responsiblity to talk about it openly. I have seen too many people get sexually involved with both teachers and fellow students of remote viewing due to the misunderstanding of what they are experiencing. I always talk openly about this phenomenon, and have found a great reduction in the problem of inappropriate relationships since I started doing so. I hope that all teachers of RV consider the possibility. Most women whoI have trained and who work with me have experienced this surge of sexual energy (men – sorry, it doesn’t affect you this way), and they are grateful to hear that it is normal and not something happening as a result of "remote influencing" or of actual romantic interest on the part of fellow students and teachers.

As for the grey dude stuff, it is a part of who I am, and I will talk about it when I feel like it. If people have a problem with it, then they can choose not to work with me. I do not make any outlandish predictions based o the GD material, and I do not claim to be a prophet. It is something I have been experiencing, and I will not supress it because people do not think it is relevant or "normal." I do not feel it detracts from what I am trying to accomplish, and I keep it separate from the training. I do answer all questions about the GD, and try to answer as honestly as I can. I do not pretend to understand what it is all about.

Lots of love to all

Pru

I did a lengthy post below under "TDS Session Posted" so will not repeat all of that again here,but I would like to thank Pru, once more, for so generously sharing her abilities, knowledge and experiences with us while she was here in Hawaii.

Reviewing and evaluating similarities and differences are valuable tools for research and development. The lineage Pru’s techniques evolved from and the one HRVG protocols originated in, both began in the military but with different people in charge evolved differently in

structure but not intent.

Pru has combined her knowledge, experience and research to develop TDS, a modification of SRV, which sprang from TRV, which sprang from CRV. It is a very effective and workable system, and she deserves acknowledgment.

Glenn has taught HRVG students the system he used as an operational viewer, and from the results posted on this site there is no question of its effectiveness.

There are many things to learn along the way, I am working on an editorial on RV and Sex which will hopefully answers everyone’s questions and put this issue in perspective as part of the "managing" required to be a viewer.

As viewers we no longer have limits on what can be

experienced, to stay in balance and "keep our wits about us" that requires a enhanced level of
personal awareness and responsibility.

On every target we need to distinguish target data (truth) from interpreted or imaginary data

(fiction). This is an important skill we do not just leave in the class room, we carry it with us 24/7
and hopefully use it. The issues of destabilization and sex, actually have more to do with avoiding personal responsibility and sloppy life skills management than some mysterious or overwhelming urge corrupting a viewer.

"Keep your wits about you!" is more than just five little words Glenn happens to say before each

target, it is a profound and complicated mandate of attention to detail and personal responsibility,
and worthy of deep contemplation.

Aloha Yaana

Drat, We all got busted, deleted and Banned :( I tried to get a reply from them…just didn’t have enough time. Aloha :(

To see a rout, go to newsgroup alt.fan.art-bell

its no contest and no banning

Yanna,

The thing about sex and RV is NOT about "avoiding personal responsibility" It’s about ENERGY period.
Sooner or later someone had to talk about this. I’m glad Pru brought it up because it’s a hot topic and there are plenty of people interested in it but afraid to talk about it.

My post down below was ignored by everyone, but that does not mean that I didn’t have a valid reason for talking about the kundalini. I know you probably really hate that word but it’s not mysterious or anything like that. The fact that energy is "raised" when someone is RVing is a very common phenomenon to many people who practice any sort of skills where you focus on your third-eye (frontal lobes). I’m sure I’ll be flamed for this post but it should be talked about in terms of energy. I know RVing has alot of catching up to do as far as what’s going on with the person while they RV but this is nothing new. I have had energy accumulate in my second chakra while RV but never thought to say anything because it’s so common place for me to have that happen. It also happens when I do alot of "light body" work using other techniques than RVing.

So if you think this has to do with avoidance you’re way off!!!

Also a good book to read would be Robert Monroe’s first book, I think it’s called "out-of-body experiences", Monroe talks about how hard it was for him to write a chapter on sex and OBE’s. He said he noticed how aroused he bacame right from the beginning when he first having his OBE’s. The same thing that was happening to him happens to RVers, provided the energy really starts to move upwards.

It’s also good that Pru mentioned how some of the behavior that students and teachers exibit during these states was not that favorable. This happens all the time with people who are involved with kundalini yoga but they rarely speak of it. Also many forms of meditation especially, if you focus your attention on your forehead or top of your head during long hours of meditation, always gets your energy moving upwards.

Be careful what you write about in your editorial, do some research first. Sex and RVing is not a bad thing, it’s just experiencing different energy states, the sooner people get this through their heads the sooner they will understand what’s happening to them.

I hope this post doesn’t get ignored like my last post. I know alot of people will get pissed off I know what I’m talking about but hey, there are some people out there (here actually) who know what’s going on!

J.P.

Hi JP: Thank you for your posts – both of them- I did not mean to ignore the first one only that I was already in Washington and my daughter’s computer is of the dinasaurus computus vintage and each time I went to post my response it did weird stuff and went off-line. I took it as a sign to back off on the subject at that particular time. LOL!

Well, I have been Remote Viewing for over a year now and don’t know what the women are talking about. I have not experienced any UNUSUAL SEXUAL URGEES OR LIBIDO because of remote viewing. I do experience a very distinct surge of energy coming in through the top of my head, down my spine, then a flash of light travelling throughout my entire body to localize in my frontal lobes at about the time I make contact with the target, however. Having been a meditator for about 20 years, this experience is not unfamiliar and is just a signal to me that I have made contact with my Higher Consciousness. I recognize it for what it is… kundalini…cosmic consciousness…nirvana…satori..

life force energy… whatever you want to call it…I have learned to direct this energy into my frontal lobes to put it to the use of resonating with information outside of our material, three dimensional world. When in a situation of sharing love and intimacy, I can also call upon this energy and direct it for a different kind of communication. So, I have to take the neutral position: it is energy…powerful cosmic life-force energy. If this is a new experience for anyone who is remote viewing (and yes, remote viewing will put you in contact with a greater amperage of this energy) it may well be mistaken as pure sexual energy. The individual will need to learn to control and direct it appropriately. The beauty of it is that it is energy and energy is information and it can be utilized to get data during the act of remote viewing or it can be used to share loving communion with an intimate partner! Energy can not be created or destroyed-it can just change form and have different functions! LOL! Light & Love, Valtra!

Aloha JP,

I would love to discuss this issue with you. Perhaps e-mail might be a better forum for this conversation.

angelina@lovelife.com

Yanna, The thing about sex and RV is NOT about "avoiding personal responsibility" It’s about ENERGY period. Sooner or later someone had to talk about this. I’m glad Pru brought it up because it’s a hot topic and there are plenty of people interested in it but afraid to talk about it.

My post down below was ignored by everyone, but that does not mean that I didn’t have a valid reason for talking about the kundalini. I know you probably really hate that word but it’s not mysterious or anything like that. The fact that energy is "raised" when someone is RVing is a very common phenomenon to many people who practice any sort of skills where you focus on your third-eye (frontal lobes). I’m sure I’ll be flamed for this post but it should be talked about in terms of energy. I know RVing has alot of catching up to do as far as what’s going on with the person while they RV but this is nothing new. I have had energy accumulate in my second chakra while RV but never thought to say anything because it’s so common place for me to have that happen. It also happens when I do alot of "light body" work using other techniques than RVing.

So if you think this has to do with avoidance you’re way off!!!

Also a good book to read would be Robert Monroe’s first book, I think it’s called "out-of-body experiences", Monroe talks about how hard it was for him to write a chapter on sex and OBE’s. He said he noticed how aroused he bacame right from the beginning when he first having his OBE’s. The same thing that was happening to him happens to RVers, provided the energy really starts to move upwards.

It’s also good that Pru mentioned how some of the behavior that students and teachers exibit during these states was not that favorable. This happens all the time with people who are involved with kundalini yoga but they rarely speak of it. Also many forms of meditation especially, if you focus your attention on your forehead or top of your head during long hours of meditation, always gets your energy moving upwards.

Be careful what you write about in your editorial, do some research first. Sex and RVing is not a bad thing, it’s just experiencing different energy states, the sooner people get this through their heads the sooner they will understand what’s happening to them.

I hope this post doesn’t get ignored like my last post. I know alot of people will get pissed off I know what I’m talking about but hey, there are some people out there (here actually) who know what’s going on!

J.P.

Valtra,

It’s true when you mentioned that these energy states are so common for you that you don’t even pay that much attention to them. The same thing happens to me, I just don’t pay attention to it.

So your post was "right on the money" thank you for your input.

Another area that needs to be talked about is when the energy does start to make a person "aroused" during an RV session, the thing to do is keep the energy moving upwards. Which means not to let the energy stay in the "second chakra" but move it up to your 6th or 7th chakra. This would be the "ideal" thing to do, for most people this movement upwards might be a little tough but with practice and perhaps some deep breathing and visualizing the energy will start to move upwards. Remote viewing will most likely bring this energy to your attention, even doing the "Pole Bridging" technique will do the trick.

Maybe you can add a few comments Valtra about what you think a person should do when they find themselves "energized" during an RV session and start to worry about what to do with all this energy.

J.P.

Hi again J.P.! Experiencing an increased flow of energy is just one of the wonderful personal benefits of remote viewing! Usually, when an increased surge of energy is experienced, that excess energy tends to go to areas of the physical vehicle that are or have been depleted or deprived of energy in an attempt to balance and harmonize the whole energy field. Furthermore, energy flows where your attention goes! So…??? Primarily, the purpose is to get the energy flowing…that means not congested in one area but flowing freely throughout you body and back out into the universal energy field in exchange. The best way to achieve the flow is to breath into the area that has an excess and intend the energy to move up and out through the top of your head. This is called central core breathing and is wonderful for balancing the energy fields or chakras. It moves the energy upwards and out again to exchange with the greater whole.

Intent is the force that moves energy. Just as we intend to go to target or the objective, intend to blackboard the target ID, intend to go through blackboard and see target, this directs the flow of our energy ie consciousness. Through our intent we can do anything. All things are mind made…even s.x! Aloha, Valtra.

Hi Pru..

I think I owe you an apology…
Because I think it was my post that started this thread.

Didn’t mean to criticize you or your RV abilities. I think the best compliment I can pay is that I urge folks to take your class.

And I was damn impressed with your SidAshram session.

With Aloha
Dick

JP

You are right about Robert Monroe. He did talk about that! And I had forgotten the connection until you brought it up.

Thanks for reminding me. So I guess there could be something to this…

Hi J.P.

Yanna, The thing about sex and RV is NOT about "avoiding personal responsibility" It’s about ENERGY period.

J.P., by the way my name is spelled Yaana, not Yanna, they have very different meanings.

I agree this is about energy, and I am not quite sure why you seem upset. When energy begins to move we are each responsible to integrate the changes it brings and seek to stay in balance. How this is done is not dictated by any external religious or social concepts but is a very personal journey of choices and actions, what may be appropriate for one person may not be for another, but each must find their own way to remain

balanced and functional.

Sooner or later someone had to talk about this. I’m glad Pru brought it up because it’s a hot topic and there are plenty of people interested in it but afraid to talk about it.

My post down below was ignored by everyone, but that does not mean that I didn’t have a valid reason for talking about the kundalini. I know you probably really hate that word but it’s not mysterious or anything like that.

Your previous post was excellent, I am sorry I did not get back to reply to it, I had a family emergency which kept me busy for several days.

The fact that energy is "raised" when someone is RVing is a very common phenomenon to many people who practice any sort of skills where you focus on your third-eye (frontal lobes). I’m sure I’ll be flamed for this post but it should be talked about in terms of energy. I know RVing has alot of catching up to do as far as what’s going on with the person while they RV but this is nothing new. I have had energy accumulate in my second chakra while RV but never thought to say anything because it’s so common place for me to have that happen. It also happens when I do alot of "light body" work using other techniques than RVing.

Some people who are familiar with kundalini, and do energy moving practices, are not surprised, or destabilized by this occurrence, but being aware that this is energy moving is no guarantee of a easy integration. But as you know when the energy starts to rise, if you are not aware of what it is and how to integrate the energy, to say it makes people

confused is an understatement. People encounter natural phenomena every day and are sometimes oblivious, and other times mistaken about their significance, occasionally in our ignorance we get lucky.

So if you think this has to do with avoidance you’re way off!!!

I do not think that this has to do with avoidance, I think that ignorance of the real source of the experience can put some people into overwhelm, and from that state many choose denial. I also know people very aware of the situation who become overwhelmed by it when it starts. I whole heatedly agree that this is an issue which needs to be discussed openly to support each other as we move through this.

Also a good book to read would be Robert Monroe’s first book, I think it’s called "out-of-body experiences", Monroe talks about how hard it was for him to write a chapter on sex and OBE’s. He said he noticed how aroused he became right from the beginning when he first having his OBE’s. The same thing that was happening to him happens to RVers, provided the energy really starts to move upwards.

A very good book, Monroe also said that if he had to pass that test again, he did not think he would make it. His journals reflect his discomfort with the issue, and the choices he made to stay in integrity with himself and his marriage, it was very challenging.

People like to write this issue off as if it was harlots versus prudes, and that is not it at all.

Each person has to make very personal choices about how to integrate this energy, external judgments and justifications, no matter how good they may sound will not help in this one. The minute sex is mentioned the snicker factor takes over and people get activated even if they are not viewers..LOL This is a natural progression for evolving consciousness, but just like puberty, it takes some guidance to get through it untill you develop the maturity to understand. In this area sometimes it’s like the blind leading the blind, because even many of the so called conscious beings haven’t passed this test yet.

I have been addressing this issue for months and being ignored, but now that Pru has been here and confirms the experience it has become a hot topic, which is great because people are joining the discussion, which is how we all learn.

It’s also good that Pru mentioned how some of the behavior that students and teachers exhibit during these states was not that favorable. This happens all the time with people who are involved with kundalini yoga but they rarely speak of it. Also many forms of meditation especially, if you focus your attention on your forehead or top of your head during long hours of meditation, always gets your energy moving upwards.

Unless I am misunderstanding you your last paragraph refers to what can happen even when people are conscious, and aware of the energy but are still behaving "unfavorably".

Be careful what you write about in your editorial, do some research first. Sex and RVing is not a bad thing, it’s just experiencing different energy states, the sooner people get this through their heads the sooner they will understand what’s happening to them.

I have never said sex or Rv’ing were bad. I have taught for nearly 20 years about communication and sex, and true intimacy. Along with this comes personal

responsibility for ones actions. Responsibility is not a dirty word which means you have to become a nun, responsibility is the road to freedom. Anything you do, if you choose it and do it responsibly, to the best of your knowledge, you will grow from, and if you find
a better way later, it will be easier to change, because your commitment was to operating from integrity (wholeness), not to an arbitrary external standard.

I hope this post doesn’t get ignored like my last post. I know alot of people will get pissed off I know what I’m talking about but hey, there are some people out there (here actually) who know what’s going on! J.P.

I appreciate your posts J.P. Contrary to some peoples reactions this does not have to be a big deal. Once the students are informed it is up to each individual to manage themselves, unless their actions impact the group. It may not manifest in everyone, but if

it does they will know what it is about and not mistake it for something else, it is part of target management, and life skills. It is also why being part of a group is so powerful.

Aloha Yaana

Yaana,

Thanks for clearing that up. I know this is a hard topic to discuss, perhaps I was a little hasty. I’m sure there will be much discussion in the future about all this.

Thanks for your imput.

J.P.

Hi J.P.

J.P., by the way my name is spelled Yaana, not Yanna, they have very different meanings.

I agree this is about energy, and I am not quite sure why you seem upset. When energy begins to move we are each responsible to integrate the changes it brings and seek to stay in balance. How this is done is not dictated by any external religious or social concepts but is a very personal journey of choices and actions, what may be appropriate for one person may not be for another, but each must find their own way to remain balanced and functional.

Your previous post was excellent, I am sorry I did not get back to reply to it, I had a family emergency which kept me busy for several days.

The fact that energy is "raised"

Some people who are familiar with kundalini, and do energy moving practices, are not surprised, or destabilized by this occurrence, but being aware that this is energy moving is no guarantee of a easy integration. But as you know when the energy starts to rise, if you are not aware of what it is and how to integrate the energy, to say it makes people confused is an understatement. People encounter natural phenomena every day and are sometimes oblivious, and other times mistaken about their significance, occasionally in our ignorance we get lucky.

I do not think that this has to do with avoidance, I think that ignorance of the real source of the experience can put some people into overwhelm, and from that state many choose denial. I also know people very aware of the situation who become overwhelmed by it when it starts. I whole heatedly agree that this is an issue which needs to be discussed openly to support each other as we move through this.

A very good book, Monroe also said that if he had to pass that test again, he did not think he would make it. His journals reflect his discomfort with the issue, and the choices he made to stay in integrity with himself and his marriage, it was very challenging. People like to write this issue off as if it was harlots versus prudes, and that is not it at all.

Each person has to make very personal choices about how to integrate this energy, external judgments and justifications, no matter how good they may sound will not help in this one. The minute sex is mentioned the snicker factor takes over and people get activated even if they are not viewers..LOL This is a natural progression for evolving consciousness, but just like puberty, it takes some guidance to get through it untill you develop the maturity to understand. In this area sometimes it’s like the blind leading the blind, because even many of the so called conscious beings haven’t passed this test yet.

I have been addressing this issue for months and being ignored, but now that Pru has been here and confirms the experience it has become a hot topic, which is great because people are joining the discussion, which is how we all learn.

Unless I am misunderstanding you your last paragraph refers to what can happen even when people are conscious, and aware of the energy but are still behaving "unfavorably".

I have never said sex or Rv’ing were bad. I have taught for nearly 20 years about communication and sex, and true intimacy. Along with this comes personal responsibility for ones actions. Responsibility is not a dirty word which means you have to become a nun, responsibility is the road to freedom. Anything you do, if you choose it and do it responsibly, to the best of your knowledge, you will grow from, and if you find a better way later, it will be easier to change, because your commitment was to operating from integrity (wholeness), not to an arbitrary external standard.

I appreciate your posts J.P. Contrary to some peoples reactions this does not have to be a big deal. Once the students are informed it is up to each individual to manage themselves, unless their actions impact the group. It may not manifest in everyone, but if it does they will know what it is about and not mistake it for something else, it is part of target management, and life skills. It is also why being part of a group is so powerful.

Aloha Yaana

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Dick,

I’ve read Monroe’s first book many times but it’s been years since then. I have to find an old copy somewhere and go over that chapter, perhaps there is something that would shed light on this particular topic that’s revelant to remote viewing. So far what’s been discussed is a good start, as least people know now that there’s something going on and it not a "bad" thing it’s just something that has to be dealt with. And in the long run all of this could turn into an unexpected boon (no pun intended).

I’m glad you remembered Monroe spoke of this, it helps to see experts in similar fields, run up against the same obstacles.

JP You are right about Robert Monroe. He did talk about that! And I had forgotten the connection until you brought it up.

Thanks for reminding me. So I guess there could be something to this…

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