Why I get Frustrated with Psi-Tech!

We have been through this cycle of accusations over and over on every Rv BB there is, nothing has changed, I’m very surprised that you ,Glen, felt it was necessary to go to another BB and relay the same material that Joni had posted on their BB,your posting it was just as wrong as her in my opinion , now we have you doing the same as the rest ,too bad, at least I finally had a prediction that came true,, but I didn’t do it by RV it was just a gut feeling. Well I had to make this one last post,also wanted to say what took you all so long to figure "Tim" the superior one out, hehe, just stick to your BB and your way of RV’ng(I call it clueing targets) and let the others fall on their own short commings. Well my ears are allready burning gota go get some ointment.

Well Nimo I think it is important for us all to make our own choices. Believe me I would love to just dedicate my time to hard work and building an RV Architecture to promote the new methodologies of thought and Analysis. As long as Psi-Tech is on the attack we must defend. It isn’t important if the method or place is important to me, it only has to be important to them. Its an old tactic and works pretty well.

Aloha Glenn

The need for remote viewers to work with the police in a professional way should come first. And Glenn states very clearly what NOT to do. It’s very important for remote viewers to understand how responsible they need to be when working such a sensitive case like this one.

J.P.

We have been through this cycle of accusations over and over on every Rv BB there is, nothing has changed, I’m very surprised that you ,Glen, felt it was necessary to go to another BB and relay the same material that Joni had posted on their BB,your posting it was just as wrong as her in my opinion , now we have you doing the same as the rest ,too bad, at least I finally had a prediction that came true,, but I didn’t do it by RV it was just a gut feeling. Well I had to make this one last post,also wanted to say what took you all so long to figure "Tim" the superior one out, hehe, just stick to your BB and your way of RV’ng(I call it clueing targets) and let the others fall on their own short commings. Well my ears are allready burning gota go get some ointment.

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For Anyone Still Interested!

We’ve now totally disappeared of the Psi-Tech BB – except for Joni’s original post – of course. Told ya they read this BB! Don’t know what happened to poor Yoyo!

This site on Psi-Tech’s Board did arouse my curiosity and I couldn’t help wonder why they posted it!!! Because I’m overseas and I don’t hear the Art Bell Show – I can’t seem to work out whether he is still on air now or whether Dames has lost that forum but I’m assuming that he has lost it.

So check out what Dames and Douriff RV’d the reason for Art Bell leaving was at:

www.trv-psitech.com/abdept.htm

Seems the man when to visit the pyramids; had a life changing experience and came back to announce the end of his show! Could this mean that the man – Art Bell – finally had a moment of clarity about the trash he was helping to publicise and the effect he was having on the public!

Sue

Never be too bored or unconcerned to defend yourself.

Fight every inch and let your friends know what’s going on. Make statements that tell who you are and what you stand for. Also make statements about what you won’t stand for. In this life we must work for our place in history. We must push back when pushed. The world surges on and it will run over you if you don’t stand up.
Aloha Glenn

We must push back when pushed. The world surges on and it will run over you if you don’t stand up. Aloha Glenn

Aloha Glenn,

I ask you to reconsider. I once heard an old martial arts master say (and it made so much sense to me) – in combat, when pushed, pull and when pulled, push.

For instance consider a force pulling on you. If you pull the other way, you must expend a lot of energy to win but if you use the momentum of your aggressor and push him in the direction he is pulling – imagine how that momentum will help you. Likewise, if you are pushed and you use that momentum to pull your aggressor, imagine how powerful you could be.

I may be naiive about the circumstances concerning Art Bell and this may be totally off the wall – but what have you got to lose if you contact Art Bell about spreading enlightenment instead of fear?

Sue

Capt. N

what took you all so long to figure "Tim" the superior one out, hehe, just stick to your BB and your way of RV’ng (I call it clueing targets) and let the others fall on their own short commings.

Tim-

Care to debate this? Ore do you always operate on the hit and run tactic? You know how to reach me at quest@inetarena.com .. Or….. ICQ…. or Pandora’s chat room.

P.S. don’t every try to start something on this BB. I am giveing you an opportunity to explain yourself through alternate means of communication.

Well evidently I didn’t make my point so I will try again.What makes Glen’s posting on someone else’s BB of information any more right than Joni posting the same information on their BB. I agree with the idea that it should not have been made public until the case was solved, some of you are so angry at others that all you read in postings is the things that put others down even when the post you are supporting is just as wrong. All the information that was given again by Glen was not necessary ,the post was Ok until he did what he says they shouldn’t have ,many don’t even visit that site anymore, so why was all the details given?
Tim…I won’t even read your post,I don’t have to ,I know you like a book.Just flag down the nearest taxi ,tell him you need to clear your head, he will know where to take you,shouldn’t cost more than $25 if your not too choosey.

Sure old wisdom works in some cases, and the quote you provided works great in martial arts, but I just can’t figure out what you have in mind when it comes to applying that tactic to the situation we are in?

If people slander and spread lies about you, I find it very hard to just kick back and take it. What we want is to get to the truth, by whatever means available. Just as in a legal case we have to establish a track record of truthfullness, and at the same time point out the lies and outrageous behavior of the opponent.

I think that Ed Dames’ whole approach to RV and the way he presents it to the public is a great disservice to the field of Remote Viewing and we need for someone to in a chronological and logical fashion point out exactly how outrageous and damaging Dames’ claims have been.

I fully support an outright offensive and proudly stand behind it. We still have plenty of excess time to discuss RV topics, do session work, teach and do what we are good at and appreciated for, but we have to fight back when the integrity of our fellow viewers are in jeopardy.

If there is a better way to resolve this whole issue I’m very open to suggestions.

Aloha, Jim

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We must push back when

Aloha Glenn,

I ask you to reconsider. I once heard an old martial arts master say (and it made so much sense to me) – in combat, when pushed, pull and when pulled, push.

For instance consider a force pulling on you. If you pull the other way, you must expend a lot of energy to win but if you use the momentum of your aggressor and push him in the direction he is pulling – imagine how that momentum will help you. Likewise, if you are pushed and you use that momentum to pull your aggressor, imagine how powerful you could be.

I may be naiive about the circumstances concerning Art Bell and this may be totally off the wall – but what have you got to lose if you contact Art Bell about spreading enlightenment instead of fear?

Sue

Sure old wisdom works in some cases, and the quote you provided works great in martial arts, but I just can’t figure out what you have in mind when it comes to applying that tactic to the situation we are in?

If people slander and spread lies about you, I find it very hard to just kick back and take it. What we want is to get to the truth, by whatever means available. Just as in a legal case we have to establish a track record of truthfullness, and at the same time point out the lies and outrageous behavior of the opponent.

Aloha Jim,

OK – this is the lines along which I’m thinking. If this site were to take up a page or two of rubbishing Psi-Tech – imagine the tone this site would begin to take. It would start to become like the others.

Rather than pushing back – pull. They obviously have plants on this board who make anonymous posts and who check out what’s going on here. The way my messages got pulled off their board immediately I made my post about how uneducated they were – proves that!

Use your imagination – if you were to use their system and make your own anonymous posts on the board that direct attention, in a controlled way, to their inaccuracies, blunders, scathing attacks etc. – you would be achieving exactly what you want without APPEARING to have anything to do with it! You could also use that method to give them a bum-steer! And your site still wouldn’t look as bad as theirs!

If you or Glenn wish to discuss this further – please feel free to e-mail me direct. Obviously we are being eavesdropped on here!

Sue

Yep, looks like he missed on that one too.

So check out what Dames and Douriff RV’d the reason for Art Bell leaving was at:

www.trv-psitech.com/abdept.htm

Another consideration you might like to make. You have an opponent who is egotistical, aggressive and outrageous. He obviously thrives on this!

Rather than try stop him – encourage him until he destroys himself! If he can put plants on this board, you can also put plants on his board. But not to attack – we need to stroke his ego to ENCOURAGE him to be sooooo outrageous that he discredits himself.

KNOW THINE ENEMY!

Sue.

Aloha Glenn,

You are absolutely correct about the mistakes PsiTech is making by publicly publishing their offerings,and suppositions to the police…Number ONE rule is absolute confidentiality…this careless releasing of information is definately out of protocol,
and does much more harm than good. This type of carelessness can cause people to lose their lives….Missing persons and other police matters is NOT A GAME. You do NOT play with these investigations and investigators…PsiTech again is making a huge mistake.
Rose

An Example of frustration.

At the following location;

disc.server.com/discussion.cgi

There is a lone plea for help from Joni Dourif, Vice President at Psi-Tech. It is a single sentence:

"This is Real – help us find her before it’s too late."

Provided is a link to Ps-Tech where correspondence from Psi-Tech is posted about their efforts to Locate a missing young girl.

The documents are from Maj. Dames and offer information about this disappearance to the authorities. The data being offered is about where and who. They identify the Abductor three different ways.

First Psi-Tech says:

" Her abductor appears to be presently employed as a route driver, possibly with UPS, within Douglas County. On the night of Stephanie’s abduction, he was wearing a uniform and had a parcel in his hands (although, he may have been driving a POV, at the time)."

How would you like to be a male UPS driver in that county today?

Second Psi-Tech says:

"There is data that suggests that this campground maybe Oregon’s Valley of the Rouge State Park, off I-5, 12 miles east of Grants Pass, and that the individual is an employee, or Seasonal employee at that location."

How would you like to be a male employee at this campground?

Third Psi-Tech says:

"The abductor appears to work in the meat cutting trade. We believe that his workplace may be one or both of the following establishments."

Winston Meats and Lockers 60 NW Sherry St Winston, OR

Oakland Lockers 133 SE 4th St. Oakland, OR

How would you like to be a male meat cutter at one or both of theses businesses?

This is wrong, wrong, wrong. Don’t do this.

If you are a Remote Viewer and you assist the Police or any other agency, keep all your correspondence confidential until after it’s all said and done. If you provide data to the Police or any other agency at least Conduct some rudimentary analysis on it to provide some clarity and present the data so that it answers a need for information and doesn’t create more problems for the investigators.

The Sheriff that gets this information is presented with three different suspects for one crime. Employees At Four different companies are accused. This data was in no way ready to be sent to the authorities. If Maj. Dames is correct in his statements that TRV is 100% how could this product go forward to the authorities?

Finally Psi-Tech asked for help. They didn’t say what kind of help; they didn’t say how we could help. They didn’t ask Remote Viewers to work the target and return data for analysis. Just what kind of help was she asking for? None! It was just to attract attention on a high traffic BBS where the big dogs hang out.

This goes straight to the Hall of Shame in my book. Using the abduction of a young child to promote a product consisting entirely of EGO.

Aloha and AU WE Glenn

Check out what’s happening to Psi-Tech:

disc.server.com/Indices/6979.html !!!

Seems it is damage control time at Psi_tech.

What do you do when your lava tube fills with water?
Aloha Glenn.

Obviously we are being eavesdropped on here!

I don’t know if the idea of "eavesdropping" really applies on a board with no restrictions on public access.

I sincerely hope HRVG doesn’t go to some sort of controlled "user & password" system, or anything of the like. If this BB’s goal is to disseminate info to interested people out there, it would be unwise to restrict it in any way.

As a prof of mine once said in a slightly different context:

"When you turn on a light, you sometimes attract bugs. Don’t cover up or shut off the light… Get yourself a flyswatter."

-John

No worries, John! I don’t think that we are planning on implementing a contolled "user & password" system for the main HRVG BB. As for flyswatting, Glenn and the rest of us have been taking turns on "bug control". Peace, Manalani